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Err.. coaching for a change?So what is Gary Doing in the team apart from playing Poker with rest of his crew ?
Err.. coaching for a change?So what is Gary Doing in the team apart from playing Poker with rest of his crew ?
I dunno.. No one was giving him too much credit when we did well either.
At the moment, he is being a backroom boy, letting all of the spotlight on Dhoni and the rest of the team. When they did well, they were glorified. When they have played poorly (as they have done now), they are being pilloried. I don't understand what the problem with Kirsten is here.... He is being consistent in being out of the spotlight...
And if Dhoni can take the praises, he gotta take the criticisms too. You are being completely unfair here... Plus, if Dhoni's excuse is that as a captain, he can have bad games and tourneys, the same can happen to the coach too.
It is not juz Gary btw, Venky and Robin are there too plus the medical staff.
Hahaha, Don't worry I was not blaming him or Dhoni for the loss. I think India played competitive cricket in this series and lost two close games because some poor decisions from its captain.Most of us don't know, which is fine. Really, the only praise or criticism of Kirsten at this stage should come out of a proper coaching review done by the BCCI.
Rohit Sharma is not an opener. Any more chances he gets as an opener and he's finished as a batsman.Indian misery ends with 3 loses in a row .... Would like some of the guys to rested for the WI tour, which would also give them an opportunity to analyze their games
my recommendation for the squad
openers: Rohit, Panday, Vijay
other batsmen: Yuvi, Badri, YP, Karthik
pacers: RP, Praveen, IP, Nehra, Munaf
spinners: ojha and mishra
15th place: jadeja / another wk like Saha / Virat Kohli / ?
source NDTVGavaskar, though, pointed out some of the young batsmen's inability to deal with the short ball as the reason for India's defeats to West Indies and England in the tournament.
"Dhoni will bear the brunt of the attack... but is there anybody better to lead India than him?" he wrote in his syndicated column for Hindustan Times.
"Dhoni is a young captain and is still learning the trade, so he will get it wrong sometimes... But then is there an individual who in his line of profession has never got anything wrong?
"What the two losses have shown is that some of our young batsmen have little clue how to deal with short-pitched bowling and both the West Indian and England quicks came hard at them."
how can a bowler like Munaf be a liability .... éven if he bowls to the guys in the nets and helps them with coping with short pitched stuff, he is worth it!You don't want liabilities like Munaf Patel out there.
Resting Dhoni is a good idea for a meh ODI tour.Indian misery ends with 3 loses in a row .... Would like some of the guys to rested for the WI tour, which would also give them an opportunity to analyze their games
my recommendation for the squad
openers: Rohit, Panday, Vijay
other batsmen: Yuvi, Badri, YP, Karthik
pacers: RP, Praveen, IP, Nehra, Munaf
spinners: ojha and mishra
15th place: jadeja / another wk like Saha / Virat Kohli / ?
Raina actually batted in only one/two matches at no. 4 in this whole series. I find it annoying that the media and certain section of fans keep beating on this.He didn't need to put himself at 3 unnecessarily when Raina had done well there.. It was a bad move regardless of the fact that most probably Raina would have been found out at 3..
Did I even mention that he lost form BECAUSE of that? He may or he may not have... My problem is Raina at 3 was working, not just here but even in IPL.. Why change what was working? Esp. when the guy who replaced him was the guy who was most struggling for form? Is it ever a good idea to have a batsman struggling for form to bat at the pivotal #3 position?Raina actually batted in only one/two matches at no. 4 in this whole series. I find it annoying that the media and certain section of fans keep beating on this.
Are we really suggesting that Raina lost his form because he batted @ No. 4 at two occasions through this series and out of which in one of those games he scored 45 off 24 (NZ warm up match), He didn't get a chance to bat in the warmup match against Pak.
In Round one, he batted at no. 4 against BD, Didn't bat against Ireland. In second round he batted @ no. 3 against WI, Eng and SA.
So all in all, he batted and failed only once @ No. 4. Now the suggestion that just because Raina was made to bat at no. 4 once (or twice) destroyed his form is quite absurd and If Dhoni has a problem with this, then I do not blame him.
Criticize him for some of decisions he made on the field or dropping Ojha, slow batting etc, it would be fair. But the stuff you have been harping on and one for last few days is just unfair, completely unfair. Not to forget the Effigies being burnt, it is quite ridiculous to be honest.
^ that's the squad for the WI tourSquad: MS Dhoni (capt/wk), Yuvraj Singh, Gautam Gambhir, Rohit Sharma, Harbhajan Singh, Pragyan Ojha, Yusuf Pathan, M Vijay, S Badrinath, RP Singh, Praveen Kumar, Ishant Sharma, Abhishek Nayar, Ashish Nehra, Ravindra Jadeja, Dinesh Karthik.
First of all 'Why change when x was working' doesn't really sound very convincing because with that logic Raina shouldn't even be in the team, India should have just picked the squad from lat T20 World Cup. Form is over-rated especially in a T20 game. IPL is a different tournament, different team composition.Did I even mention that he lost form BECAUSE of that? He may or he may not have... My problem is Raina at 3 was working, not just here but even in IPL.. Why change what was working? Esp. when the guy who replaced him was the guy who was most struggling for form? Is it ever a good idea to have a batsman struggling for form to bat at the pivotal #3 position?
He was moved for only ONE game where he didn't have success. There could be n number of reasons for that. That Raina failed @ no. 3 as well suggests that it was more to do with Raina's batting talent than with shuffling around.Raina could well have failed batting at 3, that is not the issue here. My issue he was moved around needlessly.. Regardless of what happened afterwards, that move, in isolation, remains a wrong one where I am concerned.
I thought you said this about Raina :-Did I even mention that he lost form BECAUSE of that?
The point is, confidence and form tend to overcome lots of deficiencies. There is a good chance that he would have been found out at 3 anyways but he was shuffled down, his form went down, his rhythm went out and then suddenly he was back at 3 for the crucial games and looked lost..
I am not Indian, so not too sure if I should post here.I don't care how much the likes of Raina and Sharma are shuffled around. One cardinal sin is shuffling around your best batsman. Yuvraj needs to be given a fixed spot in the lineup.
that's the downside of doing badly but I wouldn't mind India being in a tough group and then qualifying if they are playing well rather than qualifying by beating a couple of minnows then getting destroyed in S8How do the world T20I seedings happen?
Seems to me India is #7 (on account of Ireland in the other group having a worse NRR).
And Australia is #10, as one of the teams (Netherlands) that did not qualify for Super8 had higher points and the other 2 had worse NRR.
As the preliminary groupings are (#1,#8,#9) (2,7,10) (3,6,11) and (4,5,12), this means that the second group will be (runner up,India, Australia).
Now *that* is something to introspect - how India messed up not just this tournament but possibly the next one too.