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*Official* Fifth Test at The Oval
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aussie
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For the top 7 batsman, all excpet Watson & Haddin. Broad bowled well indeed, but geez that was one of the most timid 5-wicket hauls ever. The surface really had no demons on the second day for AUS to get bowled out for 160.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
You must be kidding me? Timid? It was great bowling, simple as that.
aussie
Well-known member
His 5 wicket haul vs WI @ Antigua was far better, given he really had to work HARD for those wickets - AUS just capitulated. In the second when AUS batted with sense, sanity returned.
But i am not writing off Broad by any means, just putting his bowling performance in proper perspective. Hopefully him getting two 5 wickets vs AUS will put him in good stead for the SA tour & beyond. Since ENG need him to keep improving now with Freddie gone. I am just not 100% convinced, he is the done deal yet as test match bowler.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
TT Boy
Well-known member
To good bowling.
Woodster
Well-known member
Firstly, I am absolutely over the moon with regaining the Ashes!! Watching the celebrations and emotions from all the players and staff yesterday was brilliant, and I hope every English person enjoyed watching the series unfold.
Our victory in 2005 was seen as reaching the pinnacle, we'd enjoyed a good run of success leading upto the 05 Ashes, and the victory then was seen as topping it all off nicely, and that we had achieved our goal as a cricket team, which was clearly not how it panned out. Lessons should be learnt, and it is different this time around, we have achieved mixed results recently, and this series win is an ideal platform and should give all the younger guys the necessary confidence to believe we can now go on and get a victory in SA, which will be probably be an even tougher assignment than this one.
There was not much between these sides, simply that England ceased their opportunities far more ruthlessly. It's clear the certain stats favour Australia, but it's the important sessions that England won, and with the inexperience in the Aussie side the inability to play consistently well for long periods will not be there at this stage.
For England, it really is now a case of building on this, and I believe they can do. There will be a real competition for places now with KP returning, hopefully, for SA, Ravi Bopara will not be finished with Test cricket by any stretch, and Jon Trott has given himself the best chance of starting the SA series with his performances in the last Test.
With the bowling attack, having Graham Onions and Ryan Sidebottom sat on the sidelines shows we do have decent players to come in, but of course losing Andrew Flintoff is a huge blow, and while it is unlikely he will be replaced for quite some time (like for like, if ever) that does not mean to say we cannot continue with the momentum gained from this win.
Our victory in 2005 was seen as reaching the pinnacle, we'd enjoyed a good run of success leading upto the 05 Ashes, and the victory then was seen as topping it all off nicely, and that we had achieved our goal as a cricket team, which was clearly not how it panned out. Lessons should be learnt, and it is different this time around, we have achieved mixed results recently, and this series win is an ideal platform and should give all the younger guys the necessary confidence to believe we can now go on and get a victory in SA, which will be probably be an even tougher assignment than this one.
There was not much between these sides, simply that England ceased their opportunities far more ruthlessly. It's clear the certain stats favour Australia, but it's the important sessions that England won, and with the inexperience in the Aussie side the inability to play consistently well for long periods will not be there at this stage.
For England, it really is now a case of building on this, and I believe they can do. There will be a real competition for places now with KP returning, hopefully, for SA, Ravi Bopara will not be finished with Test cricket by any stretch, and Jon Trott has given himself the best chance of starting the SA series with his performances in the last Test.
With the bowling attack, having Graham Onions and Ryan Sidebottom sat on the sidelines shows we do have decent players to come in, but of course losing Andrew Flintoff is a huge blow, and while it is unlikely he will be replaced for quite some time (like for like, if ever) that does not mean to say we cannot continue with the momentum gained from this win.
JBH001
Well-known member
Never hear the end of it.
But come to that, rather have a spell just good enough to take the edge, than a spell so good that it misses everything and just gets "ooohs" and "aahs".
Ikki
Well-known member
There is really no question as to which spell you'd rather take.Never hear the end of it.
But come to that, rather have a spell just good enough to take the edge, than a spell so good that it misses everything and just gets "ooohs" and "aahs".
The point was made that the capitulation had a lot to do with the batsmen acting like dodos rather than simply being outclassed.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
oh shi-
Craig
World Traveller
Athlai
Not Terrible
Pretty sure Broad is the one on the left.
Which was was apparently Broad's ex?
Craig
World Traveller
Agreed regarding Broad, thought Anderson was better at Lords but there was still some suicidal Australian batting. Sidebottom against India on 07 is a good example of what Waugh jr was talking about, bowled some really good spells for little or no reward, of course bowling them against Tendulkar is never going to help you as a bowler. Also agree that Broad's 5 fer in the Windies was a better spell.
3 of them look like the same person, I believe Npower grew them to have one collective mind, Broad included.
Uppercut
Well-known member
This kind of thing annoys me about Harmison. I bet Graham Onions would absolutely love to go on tour with the England team for an extra summer in South Africa, spend the whole time playing cricket in the sunshine and represent his country at a sport he loves. I'd be wetting myself with excitement if I was given the opportunity.
But Harmison gets asked and grumbles, "I suppose I probably would go.. I'd have to ask my family about it first." Apart from him being crap at cricket, I can never understand why England's selectors even want a character like this in the team.
