Oft Forgotten Player Comparison Thread

[Marcuss]

Like it or not, player comparisons are basically oxygen to CW and I think its getting perilously close to the stage where the air is getting a bit stale. While there has been some rather interesting discussion in the Sangakkara thread on a conceptual level, it has still somewhat boiled down to Tendulkar vs XYZ.

Rather than retreading old ground, as we seemingly always do, I thought it might be refreshing to discuss some of the very good-great players of the past. It might not be, but hey-ho.

One that I thought it might be reasonably interesting to start with is why is Arthur Morris rated so much higher than Lindsay Hassett?

 

[weldone]

Let's do Clive Lloyd versus Mohinder Amarnath

 

[smalishah84]

I think that very few posters on this forum are knowledgeable about the greats of pre-1970 era and hence they can't really do a good comparison between the others. I posted a Sobers vs Viv thread and there weren't too many who could really vote properly on the issue. Even Fred didn't post much in that thread (despite having seen Sobers bat I believe, and one of the rare posters on this forum who have actually done so).

 

[Prince EWS]

Let's do Clive Lloyd versus Mohinder Amarnath

WAC. Do Marcuss's topic first.

 

[Dan]

Morris being an opener and associated strongly with the Invincibles, while Hassett was captain (and most heavily associated) with the boring era that was the 50s, perhaps? That post-Don era wasn't exactly fashionable.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Victor Trumper v Clem Hill

 

[OverratedSanity]

Also, Hobbs vs Hutton is a huge debate with no presence here.

Hutton 4ever.

 

[MrPrez]

I thought Hobbs was generally accepted to be the better, and that the real debate was Hutton vs Sutcliffe.

 

[weldone]

The real debate is Hobbs vs Hutton vs Gavaskar. We all know that Sutcliffe is no. 4.

 

[Prince EWS]

Bruce Mitchell represent

 

[weldone]

Bruce Mitchell represent

Mitchell is no. 5 at best. (that too if you consider test cricket alone, otherwise very few will agree that Mitchell is better than Barry)

 

[MrPrez]

Bruce Mitchell represent

He's the absolute epitome of people being too romantic about the past. Even before Richards/Pollock/Kallis he wasn't considered the best SA batsman of all time, sitting behind Dudley Nourse. Not in the same league as Hobbs/Hutton.

 

[Prince EWS]

He's the absolute epitome of people being too romantic about the past. Even before Richards/Pollock/Kallis he wasn't considered the best SA batsman of all time, sitting behind Dudley Nourse. Not in the same league as Hobbs/Hutton.

Haha I don't think he's as good as Nourse, Hobbs or Hutton either. He's known as 'my boy' a bit though.

 

[weldone]

He was definitely the best SA opener before Barry Richards; wasn't he? Nourse was middle-order batsman.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Hutton's runs often came against some incredibly varied, quality attacks.

eg:

4th Test: Australia v England at Adelaide, Feb 2-8, 1951 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

Quality new ball pace attack in Lindwall-Miller, the greatest medium pacer ever in Johnston, Off spin (Johnson), and an amazing mystery spinner (Iverson).

Hutton>>>all. Hobbs and Gavaskar can suck it.

 

[zorax]

Oooh how about Barry RIchards vs. Graeme Pollock?

 

[The Sean]

He was definitely the best SA opener before Barry Richards; wasn't he? Nourse was middle-order batsman.

Probably. Herbie Taylor would also have a case, though - like Victor Trumper - he was statistically more successful as a middle-order player than as an opener. Mitchell, on the other hand, was at his best going in first.

 

[weldone]

Hutton's runs often came against some incredibly varied, quality attacks.

As if Gavaskar only faced mediocre bowlers, lol!

Btw, this is what Hutton said about Gavaskar: " I have a feeling that if he had been born English or Australian, many of the better judges would have been tempted to bracket him with Bradman. Gavaskar is not as good as Bradman, but very close, which puts him in the very highest class of batsmen of all time."

 

[OverratedSanity]

Hutton being way too nice, obviously . After all, Holding called Sunny a fair weather batsman who thrived on good pitches but went missing when he came up against him on a seamer.

 

[weldone]

Hutton being way too nice, obviously .

didn't say a similar thing about any other batsman