Finding a balance

[Robertinho]

Actually.. I thought the idea of restricting signups was better, Tharmi had some good ideas. And Liam, I thought you were the person who didn't think rookie power was proven?

 

[new_age_ar]

I think it looks like its more to show how players improve over time. One example id Alec Stewart and Adam Gilchrist, when they starting playing they weren't great keepers but over time they improved through experience. But even though they improved someone like Chris Read could still be classified as a better keeper or just as good. Note im just talking about keeping here and not keeper/batsmen ability

 

[age_master]

I think it looks like its more to show how players improve over time.

it looks that way

 

[thewizard1o1]

Just give it a go, and see what happens...who knows how much it will effect things until we start playing... and i'm sure if this isn't the answer the CWBCC will look at other avenues...

 

[age_master]

however i think that signups using points would also be quite possible. there are quite a few models through this thread.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

If I'm not totally mistaken, this model is already in place and has been for some time? Liam was just explaining it.

 

[Robertinho]

Ah, I see, very well, working well I guess.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I think it might be better if players improved slightly faster but only for a limited amount of time. Theoretically speaking, someone who had played 15 seasons would be in decline, not becoming Bradmanesque in middle-age. But, someone who was talented but inexperienced wouldn't be anywhere near as good as they would be after 4 or 5 seasons. So maybe, make it 2 points for specialists and 1 on each for all-rounders, and limit it to say 5 seasons of improvement? If you imagine someone starting their FC career at 20, they would have peaked by their mid to late 20s, and while there's no age model in this game I don't think someone should continue to improve endlessly.

 

[age_master]

i started out as a 12 year old so im about to reach my peak

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Actually.. I thought the idea of restricting signups was better, Tharmi had some good ideas. And Liam, I thought you were the person who didn't think rookie power was proven?

This is not compensating for a new system of signups, which will eventually come into place. This has nothing to do with supposed rookie power. All this does is add some more realism to the game because, as was mentioned above, players improve with age and maturity.

This does not mean that every experienced player will be better than he/she was when he/she was inexperienced, as there are also adjustments made on the basis of seasonal performance.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I think it might be better if players improved slightly faster but only for a limited amount of time. Theoretically speaking, someone who had played 15 seasons would be in decline, not becoming Bradmanesque in middle-age. But, someone who was talented but inexperienced wouldn't be anywhere near as good as they would be after 4 or 5 seasons. So maybe, make it 2 points for specialists and 1 on each for all-rounders, and limit it to say 5 seasons of improvement? If you imagine someone starting their FC career at 20, they would have peaked by their mid to late 20s, and while there's no age model in this game I don't think someone should continue to improve endlessly.

At the moment the system extends to a max. of 10 seasons. After that, the only adjustments made will be due seasonal performance. A system of decline is not in place yet, as there's no real concept of age in the CW system at the moment. ie a player could technically play 50 Dev seasons without having to retire.

Due to the fact that there are other means of player imrovement aside from simply gaining experience, there will always be the possibility of "younger" players surpassing the more "aged". That's a realistic concept too.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

What if your a keeping all rounder, can you add one point to batting and fielding every 2nd season, like all rounders do?

Specialist 'keepers (sub 22 batting average) get a point added to their 'keeping on a seasonal basis. 'Keeping allrounders get a point split.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

At the moment the system extends to a max. of 10 seasons. After that, the only adjustments made will be due seasonal performance. A system of decline is not in place yet, as there's no real concept of age in the CW system at the moment. ie a player could technically play 50 Dev seasons without having to retire.

Due to the fact that there are other means of player imrovement aside from simply gaining experience, there will always be the possibility of "younger" players surpassing the more "aged". That's a realistic concept too.

Ahh, well 10 seasons seems fine too.

How many seasons does it take for seasonal performance to start to impact on the simming averages?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

After 30 FC games and 40 OD games, the sim average becomes the FC and OD average respectively. These are then subject only to experience and club cricket adjustments. Before that point, players improve (or otherwise) their sim averages with seasonal performances as well as experience and club cricket adjustments.

 

[Jamee999]

Maybe, after X (20 perhaps) seasons we should be retired, and have to sign-up again

 

[Loony BoB]

Liam, is it possible for players to request their points go into a different area? It would be nice if bowlers were able to choose to concentrate on improving their batting, or for keepers to do the same, etc.

 

[Nate]

And I`d like it if it was done via e-mail. I want to keep the realism.

 

[Robertinho]

Do all rounders get +1 batting and -1 bowling each season? or what? Maybe they should have to choose where the point goes to, because otherwise they just get better and better.

Also - Liam - I think you should look at what Tharmi has proposed, very fair in my opinion.

 

[Loony BoB]

Sorry for the confusion, but who is Thami? :S If he's chaminda_00, then I strongly disagree that a keeper should be able to sign up with 45 fielding and 21 batting. That's equal to if not better than most world class keepers right now.

 

[Robertinho]

Yep, he is. Ok, I haven't really looked at the fielding that he's put up, but in terms of batting/bowling I think it's reasonable.