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chris harris was underrated

Fuller Pilch

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Yeah he is Chris Zinzan Harris. His father was Zin (Zinzan) Harris who played for NZ in the 50s and 60s and his brother Ben Zinzan Harris was a first class cricketer. They are related to Zinzan Brooke who was a great All Black of the 80s and 90s.
 

Fuller Pilch

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Here are a couple of clips of Harris. The first shows his fielding (unfortunately doesn't have the amazing matchwinning run out of David Boon from the 92 WC) while the second shows a young Harris (with hair) being coached by Jeremy Coney:

 

thierry henry

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Harris was overrated in New Zealand tbh. I only say that because, while he may have been a bit of an oddity to overseas fans, he was seen as a real legend here during his pomp (I feel like that impression may have faded a bit over the years).

His batting record (moderate average and strike rate despite many not outs) accurately captures the fact that he wasn't as much of a "late innings saviour" as he gained the reputation of being. His strike rate was pretty bad even for the era he played in. Certainly this reflects the fact that he was able to marshal the tail with slow but important innings at times, but also that he was mostly pretty ineffective when asked to play other roles (or to play as a genuine batsman generally).

Definitely a case of a number of good knocks against Australia boosting his image a lot.

Likewise as a bowler, he was ok but his record accurately reflects that he wasn't *that* miserly for the era, and wasn't much of a wicket taker either. The real MVP in that era was Gavin Larsen, who really was consistently economical. Harris was a serviceable middle overs bowler who also added to the batting, which was more than enough to get him in the team, but not enough to make him the gun all-rounder he was perceived as for several years in NZ.

tbh while seen as a scrapper, I still reckon he underachieved as a batsman, albeit he dramatically overachieved as a bowler. I would love to know how he ever got a look in as a bowler coming through the grades in the first place.
 

Mike5181

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Apart from his fielding, the most impressive thing about Chris Harris was his record for Canterbury.

FC: 5442 runs @ 57.89 + 126 wickets @ 29.42.
OD: 4256 runs @ 44.80 + 143 wickets @ 31.51 - ER 3.75
T20: 449 runs @ 89.80 + 11 wickets @ 29.27 - ER 6.59
 

Prince EWS

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I would love to know how he ever got a look in as a bowler coming through the grades in the first place.
He bowled massive inswingers apparently. Bowling a total mixed bag worked better for him in ODIs so that's what he did, but from what I know I can totally imagine his teammates saying "yeah our #4 bat bowls some mean innies" to the point where he kept cleaning up and ended up taking the new rock in club cricket.
 

RossTaylorsBox

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He bowled massive inswingers apparently. Bowling a total mixed bag worked better for him in ODIs so that's what he did, but from what I know I can totally imagine his teammates saying "yeah our #4 bat bowls some mean innies" to the point where he kept cleaning up and ended up taking the new rock in club cricket.
Yeah there was an ODI against England where he got absolutely hooping late inswing at like 100km/h.
 

thierry henry

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He bowled massive inswingers apparently. Bowling a total mixed bag worked better for him in ODIs so that's what he did, but from what I know I can totally imagine his teammates saying "yeah our #4 bat bowls some mean innies" to the point where he kept cleaning up and ended up taking the new rock in club cricket.
Yeah he had that natural exaggerated in-swing, off-the-wrong-foot action and I remember him getting a few wickets in ODIs clean bowled with big innies.

I also definitely get how once you're in the set up with rep teams etc as a gun batsman and fielder, you get a bit more leeway to bust out your other skills.

Still, boggles my mind that Canterbury and the Black Caps saw this guy bowling 100kph seam up and thought "yeah we'll give him a bowl" like, at all.

Also in terms of what he actually bowled, I watched quite a few late 90s and early 2000s videos over lockdown and was reminded that he literally bowled 80-85kph, generally 5 balls an over. I also remember the phrase "rolling leg spinners" seemingly being coined for his bowling, but I don't remember them ever actually doing anything except being slow.

Earlier on in his career I think he bowled more genuinely seam-up but I don't know if he ever bowled within a normal speed rage at all? I recall seeing Ian Smith standing back to him in the 1992 World Cup (!!) and Harris seemed to be running in harder, but not actually bowling any faster.
 
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Prince EWS

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Still, boggles my mind that Canterbury and the Black Caps saw this guy bowling 100kph seam up and thought "yeah we'll give him a bowl" like, at all.
It doesn't surprise me really, assuming he had an absolutely gun record lower down. Having a gun record but looking **** tends to get you relegated to 5th/6th/7th bowler rather than just not allowed to bowl at all, unless of course you're a specialist bowler and don't get picked in the first place*. Once you're bowling, if you take wickets you'll bowl more.

*Which is I suppose the intriguing thing with Harris - he was easily good enough at certain points of his career to play as a specialist bowler for Canterbury, but might not have if he couldn't bat.
 

Starfighter

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Didn't he bowl a bit quicker at the start of his career? Certainly looks like it in the '92 WC. I can imagine the combination of big inswingers and the odd one cutting away off the pitch was very good on the pitches in NZ at the time. Quite similar to Lance Cairns really, but slower.
 

Fuller Pilch

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Didn't he bowl a bit quicker at the start of his career? Certainly looks like it in the '92 WC. I can imagine the combination of big inswingers and the odd one cutting away off the pitch was very good on the pitches in NZ at the time. Quite similar to Lance Cairns really, but slower.
Yeah, when he first made the team (and had a full head of hair) it was said that stylistically he mirrored Lance Cairns with the ball (inswingers off the wrong foot) and R Hadlee with the bat.
 

thierry henry

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I remember seeing footage of him "charging in" during the 1992 WC, but the ball honestly seemed to be coming out like he was bowling with a tennis ball. I really can't tell if he was actually bowling any quicker than 100-105kph.
 

Smudge

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I wiki'd Chris Harris to see what he was doing after cricket as he seemed like a very wholesome dude.
He absolutely loved a slap on the slot machines from my memories of him in a pub almost 20 years ago.
 
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