India-Pakistan air conflict

[ankitj]

There is such a thing called 'credible threat' in international diplomacy. Pakistan had it, China had it. India didn't. Which is why India could never "diplomatically isolate" Pakistan after repeated attacks. India has now made a credible threat for international community to sit up and take notice. Whether 300 terrorists were killed or a crow is besides the point.

Sure enough US, UK and France have moved UN to declare Masud Azhar an international terrorist. It didn't happen in 12 days after Pulwama but it did after the air conflict. And China is going to feel more pressure than before to fall in line.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pre...-security-council-to-ban-masood-azhar-2000415

 

[Spark]

I don't know whether that's the justification the Indian government is using or will cite - I suspect they will instead point to an imminent threat. But if ^^^ is what they use then that is manifestly illegal in international law.

You can't just bomb other countries to make a point.

 

[ankitj]

I don't know whether that's the justification the Indian government is using or will cite - I suspect they will instead point to an imminent threat. But if ^^^ is what they use then that is manifestly illegal in international law.

You can't just bomb other countries to make a point.

That's not the justification from Indian govt. You may refer to the official statement. That's the (side) effect however. India could never diplomatically isolate Pakistan over the years. It was not for lack eloquent orators. It was because India did not keep international community on the edge. It's great India had the reputation of being a nicely behaved country; that's something to feel good about. But India has been subject to a proxy war over many decades. Something was going to give.

 

[harsh.ag]

Heh. International law.

 

[ankitj]

In fact Pakistan entered Indian territory for a stated objective of making a point. That's what their official statement says. Unlike India that maintains that its targets were specifically terror camps.

 

[silentstriker]

For situations like this, literally no one gives a **** about international law these days. If they ever did.

 

[Burgey]

Isn't there an election coming up in India soon?

 

[Flem274*]

I don't know whether that's the justification the Indian government is using or will cite - I suspect they will instead point to an imminent threat. But if ^^^ is what they use then that is manifestly illegal in international law.

You can't just bomb other countries to make a point.

You can if you're strong enough

 

[Burgey]

That may be so, but it's a bit of a risk to take when the country you choose to bomb has nuclear weapons.

 

[harsh.ag]

That may be so, but it's a bit of a risk to take when the country you choose to bomb has nuclear weapons.

Yeah, agreed, Pakistan's military should really think twice before training and sending suicide bombers into India.

 

[OverratedSanity]

In fact Pakistan entered Indian territory for a stated objective of making a point. That's what their official statement says. Unlike India that maintains that its targets were specifically terror camps.

I'm surprised this hasn't been pointed out by more people.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah, agreed, Pakistan's military should really think twice before training and sending suicide bombers into India.

Thank you, captain obvious.

 

[harsh.ag]

Thank you, captain obvious.

You're welcome, General Reasonable

 

[Spark]

I'm surprised this hasn't been pointed out by more people.

I mean this is why I asked whether any of this is legal under long established laws of just war. It's all well and good saying "well we just bombed an empty field" but if you keep dropping bombs, eventually you will hit something people actually care about. Then it'll be on.

 

[trundler]

Seems to have cooled a bit. Anyone know what's happening on the Sialkot border?

Heard the Indian Navy was advancing towards Karachi and Pasni.

 

[smalishah84]

Not sure about that but Imran an stated today that they will release the Indian pilot tomorrow.

 

[ankitj]

Saw the news all over Twitter. Made my day

 

[smalishah84]

yeah, good on Imran

 

[Daemon]

It's being spun as a 'gesture of peace fright' by a not insignificant bunch of idiots. They're boasting about how Pakistan dare not hold onto him for fear of retaliation. I mean of course there will be an element of fear but that's because it's intelligent to fear a ****ing war no matter which side you're on. Also best to shut the **** up until they return the poor man instead of thumping your chest.

 

[smalishah84]

It's being spun as a 'gesture of peace fright' by a not insignificant bunch of idiots. They're boasting about how Pakistan dare not hold onto him for fear of retaliation. I mean of course there will be an element of fear but that's because it's intelligent to fear a ****ing war no matter which side you're on. Also best to shut the **** up until they return the poor man instead of thumping your chest.

haha, it would be fun to watch Arnab Goswami show on this