cover drive man
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Really? Didn't know that, edited it now. Sorry.
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Poker
- Thread starter cover drive man
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You're only asking for advice because you'd have won the hand. Swap the King that flopped for a Jack and you wouldn't be asking the question.
The presence of a loose stack doesn't really change anything either. The short stack might have been getting desperate and decided to chance an all in with anything, but most players, regardless of how loose they are, certainly won't re-raise an all in unless they're holding something. The loose player has probably factored in the "might be raising all in with Ax in desperation" factor, hence his all in re-raise with a low pair.
Uppercut
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It's not an offensive thing or anything, it just generally means you don't get anywhere near as good advice.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
There's no reason to even post the flop - your decision has nothing to do with what came after.
cover drive man
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True
Tom Halsey
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Lol admittedly I don't play Sit & Go's but there is basically no reasonable range anyone can possibly have here that make AK or JJ even close to a fold. I know Sit & Go regs are nits but even they are going to have a range more than wide enough, readless (which I assume this is) it'd be even more of a snap with either hand, AQ would be more of a decision. KQ a clear fold.
EDIT: AQ is a call in terms of chip EV, my ICM knowledge is rusty at best though, so it may not actually be a call (I'd lean towards calling though), I imagine it's close but as I say I don't play Sit & Go's.
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cover drive man
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I know I shouldn't have slow played the kings pre flop but I felt with being in an early position there was a chance I'd get a raise elsewhere. But anyway, is this the right fold?
Tom Halsey
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Don't limp pre, as played check/fold flop, fold now against pretty much everyone.
Days of Grace
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Lost 10,000 yen after being up almost 20,000 until about an hour remaining of our no limit 4-player hold'em.
The crunch came when I had pocket 2s, raised pre-flop, and the flop came 3 Aces, now heads up. I raised and called until the final card, where my opponent showed a 10, which paired the turn in what was now a huge pot.
Should I have just folded when he raised for the first time?
Oh course, yes, but the thing with this guy is that he had been raising me all night and a couple of times at least showed his hole cards to be nothing after I folded. How do you handle someone like that? Just wait till you know you have the best hand and just keep raising him? What if he keeps calling for his straight/flush?
The crunch came when I had pocket 2s, raised pre-flop, and the flop came 3 Aces, now heads up. I raised and called until the final card, where my opponent showed a 10, which paired the turn in what was now a huge pot.
Should I have just folded when he raised for the first time?
Oh course, yes, but the thing with this guy is that he had been raising me all night and a couple of times at least showed his hole cards to be nothing after I folded. How do you handle someone like that? Just wait till you know you have the best hand and just keep raising him? What if he keeps calling for his straight/flush?
Uppercut
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The mistake you made was thinking your hand was stronger than it was. It's really extremely weak on that flop so you don't want to be calling a raise and if you're betting in the first place it's as a pure bluff. And given your read on him, that's almost definitely a mistake.
Aggressive players are very difficult to play against. The easiest way is just to avoid getting into too many pots with them, especially out of position.
Aggressive players are very difficult to play against. The easiest way is just to avoid getting into too many pots with them, especially out of position.
Days of Grace
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Agreed. I took him for a few pots but unfortunately they weren't worth as much as the one later on which lost me basically my entire stack. The seeds were sown for that hand about 2 hours before when he made me fold an AK and laughingly showed me his 3-2. At the end, I had 2000 yen left and decided to go all-in heads up against the same player on an A-6o after the flop came A-6-and some other card. Of course, he called me, and showed an AJ. And, of course, the final widow card was a Jack. FFS.
I think the lesson I learned was never to overvalue small pocket pairs and Ace-rags, even in an aggressive short handed game.
I shouldn't even be playing these guys yet, having only been playing really for 6 months on and off and reading a few books on the game. But it is the only game I know of in town at the moment.
They were all commenting on how well I was playing until that fatal hand.
I think the lesson I learned was never to overvalue small pocket pairs and Ace-rags, even in an aggressive short handed game.
I shouldn't even be playing these guys yet, having only been playing really for 6 months on and off and reading a few books on the game. But it is the only game I know of in town at the moment.
They were all commenting on how well I was playing until that fatal hand.
Much prefer playing random cards to Ax, it's so much easier to play them post flop.
The key thing once the flop is dealt is to forget how strong your hand looked pre-flop. 3 of a kind flopping is one of the worst possible flops when you're holding a low pair.
Days of Grace
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Because there is no way for your hand to improve, right?
How about Ace-rags? What are you looking for on the flop? 3 of a kind minimum? Could you withstand a bet after flopping a pair of aces?