The One-State Solution

[GIMH]

we should have a one state solution, but covering the entire world

 

[hendrix]

Any thoughts on this?

To me, their criticisms seem to be explaining away basic concepts of democracy. The woman in the clip in particular seems to be confusing cultural identity with state-enforced identity. Also, the guy at the end talks about the problems of minority rights and gentrification as if this is a problem that has never been faced before in other democracies around the world, with plenty of strategies to address it. Rich people developing in poor neighbourhoods is not something the world has never seen before...and not all Palestinians are poor. He's also ignoring the fact that there are a few million Palestinian refugees in the bordering state, the return of at least some of whom would mean much less of a minority.

 

[hendrix]

 

[Black_Warrior]

King Abdullah of Jordan disagrees with me

Not just King Jordan but this is the International position. The UN mandate for the two states of Israel and Palestine to coexist is what every country in the world including USA (until Trump era) has been firm on. Now Trump whether intentionally or not has changed the equation a little bit. He did state last year that he doesn't really care about one state or two state. Like everything with Trump, it's hard to say whether what that means in some sort of a meaningful/policy shift/structural way or it's just Trump being Trump.

Trump recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel has to a large extent muddied the waters for a two state solution now. Australia is considering it. In a few years, we might even see UK and Europe consider it. If this happens, then the original two state solution with East Jerusalem going to Palestine is over.

I think every Arab country in the world or any country really other than USA and to an extent Australia at the moment can see just how dangerous this can potentially be for the region so King Abdullah's position is not surprising. But we are in crazy times with a crazy man at the helm and things can change very fast

 

[hendrix]

Not just King Jordan but this is the International position. The UN mandate for the two states of Israel and Palestine to coexist is what every country in the world including USA (until Trump era) has been firm on. Now Trump whether intentionally or not has changed the equation a little bit. He did state last year that he doesn't really care about one state or two state. Like everything with Trump, it's hard to say whether what that means in some sort of a meaningful/policy shift/structural way or it's just Trump being Trump.

Trump recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel has to a large extent muddied the waters for a two state solution now. Australia is considering it. In a few years, we might even see UK and Europe consider it. If this happens, then the original two state solution with East Jerusalem going to Palestine is over.

I think every Arab country in the world or any country really other than USA and to an extent Australia at the moment can see just how dangerous this can potentially be for the region so King Abdullah's position is not surprising. But we are in crazy times with a crazy man at the helm and things can change very fast

Right, Trump's position could actually turn out positive if it involves:
a) Palestinian refugees being considered as refugees under UNHCR like every other refugee in the world, rather than UNRWA
b) The recognition that 600K settlers in the West Bank, with no intention to pull out has completely invalidated the two state idea to begin with.

Unfortunately, the other way it could go (and it's seemingly more likely) is to:
a) Force Palestinian refugees to give up any right to return
b) Mean the complete dissolution of any Palestinian representation
c) Entrench apartheid in the West Bank, and embolden Israel's policies further.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Right, Trump's position could actually turn out positive if it involves:
a) Palestinian refugees being considered as refugees under UNHCR like every other refugee in the world, rather than UNRWA
b) The recognition that 600K settlers in the West Bank, with no intention to pull out has completely invalidated the two state idea to begin with.

Yeah I highly doubt either Trump or Morrison have even considered or even aware of those when talking about moving the capital to Jerusalem


So this is what's more likely

Unfortunately, the other way it could go (and it's seemingly more likely) is to:
a) Force Palestinian refugees to give up any right to return
b) Mean the complete dissolution of any Palestinian representation
c) Entrench apartheid in the West Bank, and embolden Israel's policies further.