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*Official* Fourth Test at Headingley
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howardj
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Thought Haddin kept well in this game considering the state of his finger.
While on this topic, how much do people exaggerate (a) the keeping skills of keepers who are pretty useless with the bat eg Manou and (b) put down the keeping skills of those who are awesome with the bat eg Gilchrist and lately Haddin.
People just love to sieze on any keeping mistakes made by guys like Gilly etc, as though they're in the team just because of their batting. While some folk went so over the top with Manou's glovework at Edgbaston.
While on this topic, how much do people exaggerate (a) the keeping skills of keepers who are pretty useless with the bat eg Manou and (b) put down the keeping skills of those who are awesome with the bat eg Gilchrist and lately Haddin.
People just love to sieze on any keeping mistakes made by guys like Gilly etc, as though they're in the team just because of their batting. While some folk went so over the top with Manou's glovework at Edgbaston.
Redbacks
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Suggested answers:
a) re jig your whole junior development system to bring it into line with the rest of Europe, better technical players rather than just speed or aggression. Reward clubs for producing young players rather than them getting their best youth poached these days. I.e. Argentina's clubs survive on transfer fees by selling players to the big clubs in Europe, not just a top down approach.
b) you would have to change the style of football at the top level as the pace makes the games littered with school boy errors you wouldn't see in another European league no matter what the standard.
c) 2nd division is so ultra competetive that there is no time for player development, you wouldn't think any player in that league would be good enough to play for England or a young player learning how to play the game either. It's a game for the fans so there is no need to change the product I guess
zaremba
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International football is a deeply weird world in which performance is almost exclusively measured by a team's results in a couple of 4-yearly knockout cup competitions in which being knocked out in the QF is regarded as abject failure and getting knocked out in the SF or Final is regarded as some kind of success.
In England's case they've often been lucky to progress to the QF and yet unlucky to get knocked out on (usually) penalties.
So much depends on luck - whether a bootstud connects with a ball (Gazza's miss v Germany 1996); which goalie guesses right in the penalty shoot-out; whether a key player is injured; which team happens to hit good or bad form at the time of the tournament in question; etc etc etc. And ergo, Greece 2002.
Lillian Thomson
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Greece won Euro 2004 and came close in the Eurovision Song Contest.
Top_Cat
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What? Who? I saw nothing of that nature (about Manou) in the press or on here. I took the absence of comment basically to mean he was tidy, really. Best 'keepers are the ones you barely know are there.
howardj
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Top_Cat
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Heh, Hoggie's a legend. My cousin played with him when he was at Woodville, obviously a long time ago, and said (shock) he's somewhat prone to exaggeration just to get a reaction. Love the guy, though.
Personally reckon Manou edges Haddin with the gloves (best pure 'keeper in the country I reckon) but Haddin is definitely a better batter. Haddin should have the job for a while, even after ordinary games like at Lords (any reaction against Haddin is indeed an over-reaction, even if he wasn't batting all that well tbh). That he is makes him a really good Test package right now. Plus, unlike Manou, he'll play the shorter forms of the game.
Son Of Coco
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Son Of Coco
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Yes, as opposed to the cultured English. Ranks up there with Poms sermonising about cultural sensitivity, use of the English language and dental hygiene.
Using the hypocrisy line isn't really wise given none of our countries are bastions of decency 100% of the time. I've met some chavs and neds in my time, don't think it'd be fair to assume you are all like that though.
And GIMH is right I think, he's English as far as I know.
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howardj
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vic_orthdox
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There's a clear difference in footwork between the two of them. Haddin ends up diving too much because he is lead footed behind the stumps, whereas Manou is much more nimble and gets into a better position. Haddin was tidy this game, but his record with regards to byes says enough about the quality of his keeping.
pasag
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Spelling clearly not the Hun's strong point.