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The Official Cricketweb Science Thread!

StephenZA

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A bit good fun news.

https://www.popsci.com/story/space/mars-mole-plan-c/


NASA unsticks its Martian digging probe by whacking it with a shovel.
Every day, the InSight lander’s suite of instruments sends back data proving that the Red Planet isn’t really dead. Marsquakes rumble the seismometer. Swirling vortices register on onboard pressure sensor. And temperature sensors help track the weather and changing of the seasons.

Despite the lander’s successes, however, one gauge has met with resistance from the Martian environment while trying to carry out its mission. Something has stopped InSight’s 15-inch digging probe, dubbed “the mole” for its burrowing prowess. Instead of diving deep into the Martian sand where it could take the planet’s temperature, it’s been stuck half-buried. An intercontinental team of MacGyvers has spent a year devising successively daring plans to get the mole digging again, but still it flounders on the surface. Now their final gambit—directly pushing the mole into the soil—has shown tentative signs of success, NASA announced Friday on Twitter.

The goal of the mole, which is the measurement probe of InSight’s Heat Flow and Physical Properties Package (or HP3), is to track the temperature variations of Mars itself. This heat comes from Mars’s core, which, like Earth’s core, remains warm from the planet’s birth. By measuring it, researchers hope to learn about Mars’s formation—but from the rod-shaped mole’s current position they can get readings only of the surface temperature. Mission planners hope to ideally reach 15 feet underground to escape the warming and cooling from the Martian seasons that would interfere with reading the planet’s true temperature.

A rock could be in the way, but the more likely culprit appears to be the Martian soil. Previous observations had led the German Aerospace Center engineers who designed the probe to expect that it would be digging through loose sand. They built the mole to bounce up and down like a jackhammer, sinking with each stroke and threading its way around any modestly sized rocks it encountered. But the probe has found soil that seems more dirt-like than sand-like; It sticks together and doesn’t collapse around the mole to give it enough friction to dig. What the mole needs is a little nudge.

“I always thought, ‘let’s ask Mark Watney [the fictional protagonist of the book The Martian] to just go over there and just push a little bit on the mole,’” said Tilman Spohn, the HP3's principle investigator.

But without any Martian explorers to lend a hand, Spohn and his colleagues on the “anomaly response team” have had to improvise with the only tool available—a small shovel-like “scoop” on the end of InSight’s robotic arm. Over the last year they’ve tried to punch down the walls of the hole around the mole, to fill in the hole with nearby sand, and to give the mole more purchase by pinning it against the side of the hole with the scoop. But to no avail.

In late February, the team moved on to what Spohn calls “plan C.” They positioned the scoop above the mole’s tail and pushed it straight down into the dirt. The move is risky, because a delicate tether that provides power and communications from the lander attaches to the back part of the mole, and a hard whack could damage it. “This is our last resort,” Spohn said in an interview last fall.

But all those earlier maneuvers weren’t in vain, because months of practice have given the team some serious scoop-operating skills, making plan C seem a bit safer than it once did. “We all became more confident that the risk of accidental damage to the tether (with its power and data lines) was small enough to be worth taking,” Spohn wrote on his blog in February.

And so far the move seems to be working. While pressing down with the arm, the operators instructed the mole to dig for 25 strokes, according to a Jet Propulsion Laboratory spokesperson. That’s enough make it to sink down a couple of inches under ideal conditions. Early images suggest that the mole has dug perhaps half an inch, although mission planners are anxiously awaiting more data before they declare the instrument saved.

If the mole really is digging again, the next move will be to push the mole all the way underground. Then the team will harness its hard won “gardening” skills, as Spohn puts it, to collapse the walls of the hole and scrape nearby sand inside, hopefully burying the mole for good. “Both techniques may eventually be used to fill the pit and then allow pressing on the surface of the filled section to provide friction to the Mole below,” Spohn wrote.

The teams expect to learn more about the mole’s position—and fate—over the next few weeks. “If that doesn’t help,” Spohn said, “then I guess we’ll have to conclude that probably there is a stone down there.”
 

StephenZA

Well-known member
theconversation.com/chinas-quantum-satellite-enables-first-totally-secure-long-range-messages

In the middle of the night, invisible to anyone but special telescopes in two Chinese observatories, satellite Micius sends particles of light to Earth to establish the world’s most secure communication link. Named after the ancient Chinese philosopher also known as Mozi, Micius is the world’s first quantum communications satellite and has, for several years, been at the forefront of quantum encryption. Scientists have now reported using this technology to reach a major milestone: long-range secure communication you could trust even without trusting the satellite it runs through.

Launched in 2016, Micius has already produced a number of breakthroughs under its operating team led by Pan Jian-Wei, China’s “Father of Quantum”. The satellite serves as the source of pairs of entangled photons, twinned light particles whose properties remain intertwined no matter how far apart they are. If you manipulate one of the photons, the other will be similarly affected at the very same moment.

It is this property that lies in the heart of the most secure forms of quantum cryptography, the entanglement-based quantum key distribution. If you use one of the entangled particles to create a key for encoding messages, only the person with the other particle can decode them.

Micius has previously produced entangled photons and delivered them to two ground stations (observatories) 1,200km apart via special telescopes. Scientists showed the photons reach Earth as entangled as they were in orbit.

Then, in 2017, Micius was used to distribute quantum cryptographic keys to ground stations near Vienna and Beijing, enabling a secure virtual meeting between the Austrian and Chinese science academies – 7,400km apart.

None of the communication went through Micius. It only produced and distributed the encryption keys. But both ground stations had to talk to and trust Micius as part of their communication systems and use it as a relay before establishing a link with each other.

A new paper from Pan Jia-Wei’s lab published in Nature shows that Micius has again successfully brought entanglement-based quantum cryptography to its original ground stations 1,200 km apart. But this time the satellite sent simultaneous streams of entangled photons to the ground stations to establish a direct link between the two of them.

This gave them robust, unbreakable cryptographic protection without the need to trust the satellite. Until now, this had never been done via satellite or at such great distances.

Again, none of the communication went through Micius. The satellite provided entangled photons as a convenient resource for the quantum cryptography and the two ground stations then used them according to their agreed protocol. This also involved designing the machinery for distributing the keys and a mechanism for preventing malicious attacks, such as blinding the telescopes with other light signals.

The new paper doesn’t specify how the messages were transmitted in this instance, but in theory it could be done by optical fibre, another communications satellite, radio, or any other method they agree upon.

Quantum race
Secure long-distance links such as this one will be the foundation of the quantum internet, the future global network with added security powered by laws of quantum mechanics, unmatched by classical cryptographic methods.

The launch of Micius and the records set by the scientists and engineers building quantum communication systems with its help have been compared to the effect Sputnik had on the space race in the 20th century. In a similar way, the quantum race has political and military implications that are hard to ignore.

Pan Jian-Wei credited Edward Snowden’s 2013 disclosures of internet surveillance by western governments with prompting China to boost quantum cryptography research in order to create more secure means of communication. As a result, Micius has been dubbed Sputnik for the ultra-paranoid.

Any country could theoretically trust Micius to provide entangled photons to secure its communications. But the satellite is a strategic resource that other countries are likely to want to replicate, just as Europe, Russia and China now have their own versions of the US-controlled GPS. However, the news of a successful long distance quantum communications link is a sign that we are already living in a new era of communication security.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
The Xenon1T experiment has reported an extremely interesting result; a substantial excess on top of the expected background for electron-recoil events in a virtually background-free environment at about 1 keV. This is fairly consistent with some proposed variants of axions coming from the sun and interacting ever so weakly with the electrons, axions being one of the more popular (for various reasons) dark matter candidates floating around. It's not yet a big enough excess to actually mean anything though, and given the track record of these things in the last decade it'll either disappear like the 750GeV diphoton bump or be the result of some random experimental goof like tritium contamination somehow. Even if it is something new it could end up being yet more weird neutrino physics rather than anything groundbreaking, so this is a "watch this space" at best.
 
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silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
The Xenon1T experiment has reported an extremely interesting result; a substantial excess on top of the expected background for electron-recoil events in a virtually background-free environment at about 1 keV. This is fairly consistent with some proposed variants of axions coming from the sun and interacting ever so weakly with the electrons, axions being one of the more popular (for various reasons) dark matter candidates floating around. It's not yet a big enough excess to actually mean anything though, and given the track record of these things in the last decade it'll either disappear like the 750GeV diphoton bump or be the result of some random experimental goof like tritium contamination somehow. Even if it is something new it could end up being yet more weird neutrino physics rather than anything groundbreaking, so this is a "watch this space" at best.
White dwarfs tho. Won’t anyone think of the white dwarfs?
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I meant that for Spark - why don’t the white dwarfs decay faster if what they’ve found with Xenon1T is true. If the axion discovery is true, it conflicts with observations of the decay rate of white dwarfs (eg if white dwarfs were spitting out axions, they would be decaying at a faster rate).
 

Spark

Global Moderator
I meant that for Spark - why don’t the white dwarfs decay faster if what they’ve found with Xenon1T is true. If the axion discovery is true, it conflicts with observations of the decay rate of white dwarfs (eg if white dwarfs were spitting out axions, they would be decaying at a faster rate).
The truly honest answer is that the true error margins on those astrophysical estimates are so vast that it could all end up fine with further refinement. Also the "correct" model of the axion may turn out to be consistent after all.

But hey, I am definitely in the sceptical-until-proven-otherwise camp. "Axions exist!" is definitely the least likely outcome of all this.
 

StephenZA

Well-known member

Spark

Global Moderator
Without question. Not only because it allows us to look at phenomena we had no real way to observe before, but it doesn't suffer from the aforementioned "order-of-magnitude-sized-error-bars" problem that most other observational astronomy and astrophysics suffers from.
 

Bahnz

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For Spark: I've always had a question about blackholes that I can't find an answer to anywhere. I know that as something approaches the event horizon of a black hole, time becomes more and more dilated from an external perspective, until it is effectively frozen just outside the black hole forever. We're always told that from the perspective of someone falling into a black hole you wouldn't notice any of this - time would flow normally and you'd fall down below the event horizon and get spaghettified in real time. That all seems to make perfect sense if you assume that black holes last forever. But - assuming that Hawking radiation is real - that isn't the case. Black holes evaporate after a very very long - but definitely finite - amount of time.

So, given that time is infinitely dilated at the event horizon, shouldn't this mean that from the perspective of someone falling in, the black hole would evaporate before you ever cross the event horizon? I'm fairly certain this isn't the case, but I can't find anything addressing this question. FTR, I'm speaking purely hypothetically, I know that in reality, anybody falling in to a black hole would be atomised by infalling infinitely blue-shifted light coming from behind them.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
For Spark: I've always had a question about blackholes that I can't find an answer to anywhere. I know that as something approaches the event horizon of a black hole, time becomes more and more dilated from an external perspective, until it is effectively frozen just outside the black hole forever. We're always told that from the perspective of someone falling into a black hole you wouldn't notice any of this - time would flow normally and you'd fall down below the event horizon and get spaghettified in real time. That all seems to make perfect sense if you assume that black holes last forever. But - assuming that Hawking radiation is real - that isn't the case. Black holes evaporate after a very very long - but definitely finite - amount of time.

So, given that time is infinitely dilated at the event horizon, shouldn't this mean that from the perspective of someone falling in, the black hole would evaporate before you ever cross the event horizon? I'm fairly certain this isn't the case, but I can't find anything addressing this question. FTR, I'm speaking purely hypothetically, I know that in reality, anybody falling in to a black hole would be atomised by infalling infinitely blue-shifted light coming from behind them.
I haven't done these calculations in a while but IIRC if the time-to-evaporation was actually short enough that it became important, the black hole would be emitting so much high-energy radiation and have such a high temperature that, well, it would legitimately be a lot like standing next to a nuclear bomb as it detonated. A dying black hole emits a lot of energy.

Incidentally the time dilation only applies to the external observer, looking a clock held by the unfortunate soul falling in - from the frame of reference of the guy who is actually falling into the black hole, the clock they're holding says that time is passing as normal.

It should also be noted though that there is no widely accepted or proven theoretical model on how the actual moment of evaporation takes place. All we have are guesses; that particular process is well into the realms of only being properly described by quantum gravity.

EDIT: Yeah a back of the envelope calculation yields that a black hole with an expected lifetime of ~a year will have a mass of about a hundred million kg, which would result in a temperature of about... 100 trillion degrees.
 
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Bahnz

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Ok, so it seems if you fell into a blackhole, you wouldn't end up getting crushed into the singularity at the speed of light, but would instead only have to worry about being vaporised by infalling light on the one hand and outflowing hawking radiation on the other. That's a relief.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Ok, so it seems if you fell into a blackhole, you wouldn't end up getting crushed into the singularity at the speed of light, but would instead only have to worry about being vaporised by infalling light on the one hand and outflowing hawking radiation on the other. That's a relief.
I don't think this will ever be a problem tbf. Once you get into a black hole then every physical point of spacetime is spacelike separated from you (kind of the definition of a black hole, mathematically); which is a very technical way of saying that no light from any source whatsoever will ever reach you. You will be in total and complete darkness in perpetuity until you get shredded by tidal forces. By extension Hawking radiation too will only be something you experience outside the event horizon.
 

SillyCowCorner1

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In a blackout and looking back outside, I will see the entire universe as a small point of light as like a starlight?

Does the size of this point depends on the mass of the blackhole?
 
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