Chances of a 12 team tournament in 2019?

[theegyptian]

This is a great point. Did Zimbabweans like Andy Flower need English domestic player title in county cricket to succeed? Zimbabwe was a really good team in the 90s and how many of them played as non overseas players in county cricket? They did all right. Training is important but talent is more crucial and once you are at the top, you can self coach a lot of times. Exposure helps, sure, but England didn't make Rankin or Joyce or any thing. They may have improved them a bit but too much a big deal is being made out of it.

I'm sorry but Joyce has played 15 or so seasons in county cricket. Without county cricket he'd have been stuck playing a poor standard of amateur cricket in Ireland. Exposure to a decent level of regular cricket is massive for a player. It wasn't until 2009 that Ireland became a professional team with contracts for players. They're still without a first class setup. County cricket allowed Rankin, Joyce, Porterfield and others to become professional and improve their game well before they had that option with Ireland.

To this point it's been mutually beneficial. County cricket has offered something Ireland couldn't with a decent first class setup and job security for players. This has developed a lot of Irish players. England have taken the best of the players when the player wanted to have greater challenges and make more money.

 

[Daemon]

You should only be allowed to play for the country where you speak the local accent naturally. Joyce is English on that basis I'm afraid and Pratters is thus wrong.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Principle should hold for internet posting also la.

 

[Furball]

Principle should hold for internet posting also la.

The accent thing or just the 'Pratters is wrong' principle?

 

[honestbharani]

Answer: not good enough for a contract.

There's a reason associate players don't get IPL contracts and why non-EU associates don't get county contracts.

Rankin and Morgan wouldn't have played enough internationals for Ireland for a county to sit up and go 'oh he's quite good, let's give him a contract.' So they would be stuck playing club cricket in Ireland, without access to the facilities and coaching that have helped them develop into the players they are.

I dunno mate.. RTD and Shakib were doing mighty fine IPL contracts without ECB's "facilities"

 

[honestbharani]

I'm sorry but Joyce has played 15 or so seasons in county cricket. Without county cricket he'd have been stuck playing a poor standard of amateur cricket in Ireland. Exposure to a decent level of regular cricket is massive for a player. It wasn't until 2009 that Ireland became a professional team with contracts for players. They're still without a first class setup. County cricket allowed Rankin, Joyce, Porterfield and others to become professional and improve their game well before they had that option with Ireland.

To this point it's been mutually beneficial. County cricket has offered something Ireland couldn't with a decent first class setup and job security for players. This has developed a lot of Irish players. England have taken the best of the players when the player wanted to have greater challenges and make more money.

I think Chris Rogers has too.. Maybe England should get first dibs at picking him too?

 

[Daemon]

 

[Furball]

Deary ****ing me.

 

[G.I.Joe]

The accent thing or just the 'Pratters is wrong' principle?

Was me trying to be a fail Singaporean.

 

[Furball]

I thought you were doing a GIMH impression.

 

[morgieb]

lol, honestbhandari getting baited.

 

[honestbharani]

and now even my name can't be spelled right here

 

[Bahnz]

Argh, it's just so frustrating. The current format - even with it's meandering group stage - has produced two top quality tournaments in a row. Can't the ICC just let it be?

 

[hendrix]

England, seeded number 1 and knocked out in the first round, do not have to qualify for the 10 team 2019 world cup. Yet Bangladesh (indisputably), Scotland and Afghanistan (better against NZ), Ireland (straight up batted much better), Zimbabwe (bowled better) and the UAE (I'm throwing them in there) were more competitive that England and have to knock each other out to qualify for the 2019 WC.

There is simply no argument that stands up to suggest that these teams aren't competitive enough to be there. The number one team was knocked out by the number 9 team (at the time of seeding).

It's complete bull****.

 

[anil1405]

How were England seeded no.1 in the first place?

 

[marc71178]

By virtue of being number 1 at the point the cut off happened.

 

[Jono]

England, seeded number 1 and knocked out in the first round, do not have to qualify for the 10 team 2019 world cup. Yet Bangladesh (indisputably), Scotland and Afghanistan (better against NZ), Ireland (straight up batted much better), Zimbabwe (bowled better) and the UAE (I'm throwing them in there) were more competitive that England and have to knock each other out to qualify for the 2019 WC.

There is simply no argument that stands up to suggest that these teams aren't competitive enough to be there. The number one team was knocked out by the number 9 team (at the time of seeding).

It's complete bull****.

Big 3 running cricket etc. Isn't fair.

 

[GIMH]

We are hosts next time so any talk that we should have to qualify is way off the mark

 

[zorax]

We are hosts next time so any talk that we should have to qualify is way off the mark

Heh it's like South Africa in the 2010 football world cup.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Yeah Japan get automatic qualification for the 2019 Rugby World Cup as hosts and they could possibly get thrashed in all their matches