Record since then is poor though, not like he kept it going is it?He definitely can, he's done it once already in his career.
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Yeah, but it's essentially a question of whether he will improve. If there is data which says he has gone downhill from a previous high, that is relevant.Huh? Nobody is arguing that Southee is as good as Anderson, they are asking whether he can have a career transformation like Jimmy's. All Bahnz said was that he could because he has already shown he is capable of playing at a similarly high level.
Also it not like it a temporary drop, it has been ages since he was good for more than the odd spell.Yeah, but it's essentially a question of whether he will improve. If there is data which says he has gone downhill from a previous high, that is relevant.
Ya credit to them for being dicksi love how much anderson and broad boil the piss of oppo fans
Yeah it's a poor thread title. I was hoping someone would change it.Luckily the thread title is just inflammatory enough to make people post without reading the OP
Good spotThere's no much difference at the moment.
56 Tests
201 wickets at 31.45 econ 3.05 s/r 61.8 6/1 - Southee (28) [2070.2 overs]
205 wickets at 31.55 econ 3.29 s/r 57.4 10/1 - Anderson (28) [1961.1 overs]
I don't consider a 2 and a half year run to be a purple patch if that's what you're suggesting. Southee achieved a real transformation in his bowling that endured against a variety of opponents and locales. I've got no doubt that he can return to that level if he sets his mind to it. Buuuut if you believe what people say about him, Tim's the sort of laid back guy who's probably never going to put in the work to consistently get the best out of himself. That's why less talented but more driven guys like Wagner and Boult will almost certainly finish with better career records than him.Record since then is poor though, not like he kept it going is it?
Yeah that wasn't a purple patch, it was a period of achievement where he was most likely motivated by the loss of his position (thus his social standing) and also coached by two guys he greatly respected in Donald and Bond. With his spot absolutely bolted on and the fact he's coached by an Aussie FC journeyman who has nothing of note on his CV, there's no upswing anywhere on the horizon for mine.I don't consider a 2 and a half year run to be a purple patch if that's what you're suggesting. Southee achieved a real transformation in his bowling that endured against a variety of opponents and locales. I've got no doubt that he can return to that level if he sets his mind to it. Buuuut if you believe what people say about him, Tim's the sort of laid back guy who's probably never going to put in the work to consistently get the best out of himself. That's why less talented but more driven guys like Wagner and Boult will almost certainly finish with better career records than him.
Yeah that wasn't a purple patch, it was a period of achievement where he was most likely motivated by the loss of his position (thus his social standing) and also coached by two guys he greatly respected in Donald and Bond. With his spot absolutely bolted on and the fact he's coached by an Aussie FC journeyman who has nothing of note on his CV, there's no upswing anywhere on the horizon for mine.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that, I think it's an enormous asset having the ability to take it both ways.I don't think being able to swing the ball both ways is necessarily that big of an asset.
Depends on what type of bowler you are, for a pure swing bowler like Southee its an essential skill to move it both ways, not so much for someone like Steyn.I don't think being able to swing the ball both ways is necessarily that big of an asset. As long as you've got a variation sufficient to beat the bat or catch the edge then that's enough. You're quite right though about Southee - even at his best - never having shown the proficiency with the old ball that Anderson has.
Southee's never swung it both ways, but instead got reams of wickets with a well disguised off cutter. Or at least he used to, kinda lacks the accuracy now to pose a real threat with it.Depends on what type of bowler you are, for a pure swing bowler like Southee its an essential skill to move it both ways, not so much for someone like Steyn.