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Out of control

Zinzan

Zinzan

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Maximas said:
The American Politics Thread is out of control tbh
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Eh? How so? It's never been any different, and you'd expect nothing less in a political thread in which people passionately come from different viewpoints.

I mean how boring would it be if everyone agreed with one another on everything.

Personally I like that thread more now than in 2016, a time when it felt like 99% were on one side of the political fence on close to all issues. I feel now people have matured in their views and have become more nuanced on individual issues (save those who equate less-than-ideal immigration policy to Nazi Germany and who cite everything as racism etc), and have moved away from that ghastly identity politics of 2016. I'm talking members on this forum in the main, and not the US political environment which has moved even more towards identity politics on the left.
 
Maximas

Maximas

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Zinzan said:
Eh? How so? It's never been any different, and you'd expect nothing less in a political thread in which people passionately come from different viewpoints.

I mean how boring would it be if everyone agreed with one another on everything.

Personally I like that thread more now than in 2016, a time when it felt like 99% were on one side of the political fence on close to all issues. I feel now people have matured in their views and have become more nuanced on individual issues (save those who equate less-than-ideal immigration policy to Nazi Germany and who cite everything as racism etc), and have moved away from that ghastly identity politics of 2016. I'm talking members on this forum in the main, and not the US political environment which has moved even more towards identity politics on the left.
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Well from what I can tell that does away with most of what I've read just lately

I haven't followed it much over its history but it's made for sorry reading the last few days tbh, not that I really mind or am judging
 
Burgey

Burgey

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Zinzan said:
Eh? How so? It's never been any different, and you'd expect nothing less in a political thread in which people passionately come from different viewpoints.

I mean how boring would it be if everyone agreed with one another on everything.

Personally I like that thread more now than in 2016, a time when it felt like 99% were on one side of the political fence on close to all issues. I feel now people have matured in their views and have become more nuanced on individual issues (save those who equate less-than-ideal immigration policy to Nazi Germany and who cite everything as racism etc), and have moved away from that ghastly identity politics of 2016. I'm talking members on this forum in the main, and not the US political environment which has moved even more towards identity politics on the left.
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What could possibly be more "identity politics" than saying to people "go back to where you came from"?
 
Zinzan

Zinzan

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Burgey said:
What could possibly be more "identity politics" than saying to people "go back to where you came from"?
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You misread, I was referring to CW chatters on the american politics thread becoming more nuanced on individual issues, and less about identity politics now vs. 2016.
 
Maximas

Maximas

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My point is that they wanted economic improvement, and Trump promised it, I'd say that's what got their vote rather than this vague appeal to identity as you say.
 
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RossTaylorsBox

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Maximas said:
My point is that they wanted economic improvement, and Trump promised it, I'd say that's what got their vote rather than this vague appeal to identity as you say.
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Would be valid except non-white working-class vote didn't break for Trump. He specifically appealed to white people by going hard on immigration and minorities. It's true that "economic anxiety" was a factor, but it's not the main one.

There's also the chud safaris where there's always some white guy who's lost his job/farm or whatever but will still vote Trump because at least he keeps the browns away.
 
Uppercut

Uppercut

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Spark said:
This is basically the argument that many on the left - most promimently Coates - have been making for a while now
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TBH I haven't got that impression from Coates.

I think it's pretty clear that the vast majority of politics is identity politics. Historically, globally, hardly any elections are fought along sincere ideological lines.
 
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