Uppercut
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The question is never "is money enough?", it's always "how much money is enough?"
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The British Politics Thread
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StephenZA
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Thing is they will have to create special rules to overcome a pretty big basis of the EU, which would then create precedent which can effect the basic rules and laws of the EU. Which as you say may be overcome with enough money but that is gonna be a hella'vu lot of money to make the EU rewrite one of their cardinal rules. Not even Norway could afford it.
fredfertang
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Which I suspect will be the point at which whoever is then PM (it may even be the not so wicked but certainly more stupid witch) will decide that, blaming Cameron of course, perhaps we do need a second referendum after all
StephenZA
Well-known member
Which may be to far down the line... pulling out from Brexit now may still be acceptable, in 18 months I don't see the EU at least demanding many concessions anyway. And even if there is a 2nd referendum and UK remains in the EU it will still probably be close and 1/2 the country will still be unhappy....
For me UK is over a barrel and either gives many concessions to EU to try remain without remaining during negotiations, or else cuts its losses and tries to make the best of the circumstances and hopefully recover and rebuild over time.... all of it is going to hurt short term both socially and economically; Which is the better long term option, who really knows.
Spark
Global Moderator
She sounded angry as hell in the Graun piece just run. So, one way or the other, the power of the editor's pen...
fredfertang
Well-known member
Being held responsible and accountable for tragedies like this is one of the things that goes with a career in politics and, quite rightly, the colour of the party flag is irrelevant
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Wasn't referring to the accountability Fred. I'm purely talking about him pushing his socialist agenda by saying property should be seized.
Burgey
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This is a hell of a story if it's true. Like a Cold War spy novel.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake...n-british-soil?utm_term=.etoDPbOn8#.lueelrL4y
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake...n-british-soil?utm_term=.etoDPbOn8#.lueelrL4y
wpdavid
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I think you're being harsh mate. From here, it just reads like a suggestion to provide a short-term solution to a specific situation, rather than pushing 'all property is theft' socialism.
And to provide balance, I think some of the criticism of May's performance yesterday is unwarranted too.
wpdavid
Well-known member
Well, there is rather a lot to be angry about.
Irony alert
Given the way our government completely folded over the murder of Litvinenko and does absolutely **** all to prevent Russian gangsters using banks, property or football clubs in London to launder criminal proceeds, none of what's being alleged comes as a surprise.
Uppercut
Well-known member
Is it just my bubble or is blame for the fire really sticking to May and the Tories? She was already looking like an arse over the failed election and DUP stuff. Then a desperately poor building in the richest area of the country burns down and May won't meet its residents, and now I'm getting a lot of Cameron's old anti-health+safety speeches, Barwell's delaying of new fire regulations, Boris's cuts to fire services, reports that tenants tried to go to court but couldn't get legal aid. etc.
Spark
Global Moderator
It's impossible to say but they're doing their level best to make it stick, you'd have to say. It's kind of unreal how bad May is at this whole PM thing.
fredfertang
Well-known member
The Tories are on a hiding to nothing on this one irrespective of where the blame truly lies, but what amazes me is the lack of any sort of statesmanship being demonstrated by any of them - Sadiq Khan was truly awful when he was interviewed by the Beeb this morning - never much cared for the bloke but Cameron would have dealt with this one immeasurably better than May has
Spark
Global Moderator
Cameron was always good at this sort of thing whenever I checked tbf.
But yeah, Sadiq Khan hasn't done well either. Nor has Boris Johnson just now. Corbyn has mostly done better by actually behaving like a vaguely normal person when he was on the scene.