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*Official* Second Test at Lord's

Spark

Spark

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morgieb said:
Yeah true, I didn't say there weren't any bowlers with good injury records, because there certainly are. Starc is the same age as Pattinson and IIRC hasn't had injury problems.
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Starc just had bone spurs removed from his ankle that had been troubling him for ages, so that's not exactly accurate even if it hadn't stopped him playing beyond rotation. Starc's action is probably one of the laziest actions you'll ever see though (if not as "pure" as Pattinson's) so you can see why that'd be the case.

Manee said:
That is not to say that there is no problem with the actions and conditioning of these young bowlers. It is just that the problem is widespread. One will never make progress in any field if you resign yourself to a certain set of problems.
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Well, fast bowling isn't exactly a natural and easy thing to do, so there's a strong case to be made here that their bodies just aren't hardened yet for the rigors of bowling quick with a modern schedule. Which would suggest that it improves with age, as seems to be the case.
 
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burr

burr

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91Jmay said:
Of course England has weaknesses, they aren't a great side or even the best team in the world. They are a very good outfit though and Joe Root's bowling is better than part time, anyone who's seen him do it regularly knows that.
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I would say they're edging close to a great side, at least a great England side. Not so much in this series yet, but overall. Winning in India was phenomenal and performances like that draw against NZ were admirable. Still, I guess South Africa at home and Pakistan away are black marks. If you look at the current line up though, a lot are going to go down as some of England's best ever: Anderson, Swann, Cook, Pietersen, even Bell perhaps.

Enjoy it now, oh how the worm does turn :D
 
CricAddict

CricAddict

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burr said:
I would say they're edging close to a great side, at least a great England side. Not so much in this series yet, but overall. Winning in India was phenomenal and performances like that draw against NZ were admirable. Still, I guess South Africa at home and Pakistan away are black marks. If you look at the current line up though, a lot are going to go down as some of England's best ever: Anderson, Swann, Cook, Pietersen, even Bell perhaps.

Enjoy it now, oh how the worm does turn :D
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And Trott too..
 
LongHopCassidy

LongHopCassidy

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Let's face it, if he didn't tweet he'd be just another Tufnell - a lifetime of pies hiding behind a veil of second-hand anecdotes about what a funny **** he is.
 
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greg

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Adders said:
That's not a wind up mate because we know you don't believe it.......that's about as stinky bait as me saying Ashley Giles was better than Warne.......no one is gonna bite on that.
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Not least because the Aussies don't even pick him! In India, or in favour of a 19 year old.

Actually, it has been bizarrely IMO not widely discussed, I think, but why WAS Agar picked? Was it the old "Pietersen has a weakness against slow left armers" theory?
 
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Tangles

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Agar was picked on potential and out bowling Lyon in the nets and tour games. Then we saw his 98 before we saw him bowl which protected him from criticism. "He's only 19, he scored 98 and had a dream debut". Ok but he's a spin bowler and wasn't ready and has the bowling figures to show it. Lyon shouldn't have been dropped in India or here but obviously he's now not rated. I'd love to know what our spinner selection criteria is. Lyon is dumped cause a 19 year old has potential. That seems to me like they still think they can uncover another Warne. I'd hoped we had moved on from that.

I like Agar but in this side he is needed to bowl a lot of overs and given his age and short career he physically isn't up to it yet.
 
Adders

Adders

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LongHopCassidy said:
Let's face it, if he didn't tweet he'd be just another Tufnell - a lifetime of pies hiding behind a veil of second-hand anecdotes about what a funny **** he is.
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You'll have to explain this one to me LHC (or should that be THC, for surely you were under the influence of something when you posted that)...........

How does Swanns sense of humour and Twitter habits enable him to take 100+ more wickets than Tufnell at at an average of nearly 10 less??
 
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