The American Politics thread

[Spikey]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...d_hold_clues_about_what_s_happening_to_u.html

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

'Poor leadership'

The projection.

 

[silentstriker]

Yeah it's a crazy situation.

 

[Spark]

Roy Moore: Politics & Entertainment | National Review

I’m open to correction, but this guy strikes me as nothing more than a bigoted, theocratic, and ignorant buffoon. The supposed standard-bearer of True Trumpism in the race did not even know what DACA was or who the Dreamers were. Friends of mine tell me the voters don’t care, because he’s on the right side of the immigration issue and most of them couldn’t tell you what DACA stands for. Okay, what that says about the voters — or the authenticity of nationalistic populism — is a topic for another day. But that’s all irrelevant. We elect senators to know . . . something about public policy. It seems reasonable that, at a time when Trump’s surrender on DACA was causing Ann Coulter to call for his impeachment, the Optimus Prime of True Trumpism should at least have a passing understanding of the core issue of the Faith. But, hey, I’m a pie-eyed idealist. The reality is policy expertise and ideological coherence are not central to Moore’s character. When he asks the director “What’s my motivation?” the answer is not “crafting sound legislation.” It’s “stick it to the hippies, ay-rabs, and queers!” And this explains something that will undoubtedly be lost on every MSNBC host and New York Times editor. Most of the people who voted for Moore don’t actually agree with him. They find him entertaining. I have no doubt that many of the people who voted for him are decent people. I’d also bet lots of them don’t agree with Moore’s shtick. Do all the patriotic Alabamans who voted for Moore believe that 9/11 was God’s wrath on a sinful America? Or that America is “the focus of evil in the world?” I very much doubt it. Do they all think evolution is “fake”? Some? Sure. All? No way. Moore is like a right-wing version of the “Progressive Liberal” heel. I’m sure many like his brashness and forthrightness and his unapologetic defense of Christianity. And while I haven’t run a focus group or anything, I strongly suspect his real value-add is that he horrifies all the right people. Like that other political stock character with the same last name, Michael Moore, his appeal lies in the fact he’s a living Internet troll.

 

[Anil]

he is the ideal representative of the core trump supporter, donnie really missed a trick by not officially supporting him in the primary...brash, vicious, dumb, uninformed, bigoted...clearly checks all the boxes...

 

[Ausage]

The difference in the response to Harvey/Irma and Maria is why you don't prioritise things based on what you see on cable news.

EDIT: And just as I post this...

I haven't followed the Maria situation that closely, but this strikes me as somewhat unfair. From what I've read the different logistical challenges of a relief operation in a poorly developed island compared to places like Houston or South Florida are the cause of much of the complaints. It being the third massive storm the region's seen in the last month hasn't helped either.

 

[Anil]

I haven't followed the Maria situation that closely, but this strikes me as somewhat unfair. From what I've read the different logistical challenges of a relief operation in a poorly developed island compared to places like Houston or South Florida are the cause of much of the complaints. It being the third massive storm the region's seen in the last month hasn't helped either.

of course they are all valid points but have you heard/read trump's speeches/tweets on the topic? the repeated allusion to the island's debt is at best out of place/line, at worst an insinuation that they don't deserve the same help that the harvey and irma victims got (as in they are and continue to be the "takers")...his self-laudatory comments on how everyone has been praising him for the relief efforts (typical trump and when they clash with the reality on the ground again appear completely thoughtless/self-absorbed/tone-deaf), his attacks on the san juan mayor for criticism of the same comments, his petty attacks on the black nfl players while all this was happening...the perceived delay in waiving the jones act just added to the image of a bigot who didn't care about people of color just dog-whistling to his base who are gleefully lapping it up...if he had honestly articulated what had been done, what remained to be done and was sensitive to the challenges of the people on the island, much or all of this wave of criticism could have been avoided...but that would be too much to expect from this guy, so no i don't think the criticism is unfair in the least...

 

[silentstriker]

I haven't followed the Maria situation that closely, but this strikes me as somewhat unfair. From what I've read the different logistical challenges of a relief operation in a poorly developed island compared to places like Houston or South Florida are the cause of much of the complaints. It being the third massive storm the region's seen in the last month hasn't helped either.

Yeah, it's more difficult since we all found out recently that Puerto Rico is surrounded by big water.

 

[Ausage]

Yeah, it's more difficult since we all found out recently that Puerto Rico is surrounded by big water.

Ahh so if they'd known the island was surrounded by ocean the logistical challenges posed by this reality would have disappeared and the resources taken up by efforts in Texas and Florida would have freed up. Cool to know.

 

[Ikki]

of course they are all valid points but have you heard/read trump's speeches/tweets on the topic? the repeated allusion to the island's debt is at best out of place/line, at worst an insinuation that they don't deserve the same help that the harvey and irma victims got (as in they are and continue to be the "takers")...his self-laudatory comments on how everyone has been praising him for the relief efforts (typical trump and when they clash with the reality on the ground again appear completely thoughtless/self-absorbed/tone-deaf), his attacks on the san juan mayor for criticism of the same comments, his petty attacks on the black nfl players while all this was happening...the perceived delay in waiving the jones act just added to the image of a bigot who didn't care about people of color just dog-whistling to his base who are gleefully lapping it up...if he had honestly articulated what had been done, what remained to be done and was sensitive to the challenges of the people on the island, much or all of this wave of criticism could have been avoided...but that would be too much to expect from this guy, so no i don't think the criticism is unfair in the least...

"All valid points but I don't like what Trump says"

It takes a special kind of despicable to try to politicise a natural disaster. Saying people are dying and trying to call it a genocide was a bit ridiculous.

The problem with these natural disasters is that the government is simply not as powerful and great as some people like to think it is.

 

[Ausage]

Saying people are dying and trying to call it a genocide was a bit ridiculous.

Yeah that was awful.

 

[Spark]

I mean there is pretty clear evidence that the response to Maria was slow in getting off the ground, and there was a distinct lack of pre-preparation in terms of pre-positioning supplies etc, which amazes me as I was seeing NHC scream out all-caps warnings about how bad Maria was going to be for PR even before it hit Dominica. It's certainly ramping up now, but the delay has definitely hurt.

 

[Redbacks]

Given his massive ego, you would think Trump would be susceptible to being surrounded by 'yes' men telling him what he wants to hear.
Seems to fire people a lot though.

 

[Hennybogan]

I haven’t read much, last couple of pages. Great site for real info rather than fake news agenda of the liberal/ low T males is Breibart. Check it out guys, it will help you to man up again.

 

[Teja.]

I haven’t read much, last couple of pages. Great site for real info rather than fake news agenda of the liberal/ low T males is Breibart. Check it out guys, it will help you to man up again.

AWTA. Also suggest infowars.com. The analyst is a little biased but is a tough guy with his heart in the right place and that's what the world needs in this snowflake generation.

Your efforts are wasted here though, the only liberals here who are not sjw snowflakes are complete soulless liberal degens who will do nothing, bend over and let the globalist rich get richer so long as they can get their fast food and anime kotaku porn which the elite will gladly provide them with so that they are completely distracted while the elite fleece everyone.

In my father's generation and his father's before, the most important trait in anyone was that they were tough and persistent. Now it is that they are empathetic and courteous. No wonder the world's ****ed. Hope modern role models like Trump, Putin and Pewdiepie who are tough successful men who came from nothing can inspire in the next generation at least, the values of hardwork and mental toughness.

 

[Gnske]

. Hope modern role models like Trump, Putin and Pewdiepie who are tough successful men who came from nothing can inspire in the next generation at least, the values of hardwork and mental toughness.

You actually think those three should be clumped together don't you.

 

[Ausage]

I mean there is pretty clear evidence that the response to Maria was slow in getting off the ground, and there was a distinct lack of pre-preparation in terms of pre-positioning supplies etc, which amazes me as I was seeing NHC scream out all-caps warnings about how bad Maria was going to be for PR even before it hit Dominica. It's certainly ramping up now, but the delay has definitely hurt.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to suggest the response was perfect. Only that the mitigating factors made it somewhat understandable.

 

[Ausage]

Your efforts are wasted here though, the only liberals here who are not sjw snowflakes are complete soulless liberal degens who will do nothing, bend over and let the globalist rich get richer so long as they can get their fast food and anime kotaku porn which the elite will gladly provide them with so that they are completely distracted while the elite fleece everyone.

Not sure if slip up or underrated reference.

 

[Hennybogan]

AWTA. Also suggest infowars.com. The analyst is a little biased but is a tough guy with his heart in the right place and that's what the world needs in this snowflake generation.

Your efforts are wasted here though, the only liberals here who are not sjw snowflakes are complete soulless liberal degens who will do nothing, bend over and let the globalist rich get richer so long as they can get their fast food and anime kotaku porn which the elite will gladly provide them with so that they are completely distracted while the elite fleece everyone.

In my father's generation and his father's before, the most important trait in anyone was that they were tough and persistent. Now it is that they are empathetic and courteous. No wonder the world's ****ed. Hope modern role models like Trump, Putin and Pewdiepie who are tough successful men who came from nothing can inspire in the next generation at least, the values of hardwork and mental toughness.

Man up you fag hags! If it is libertarian biased thread, I wont bother reading the pathetic weak spineless drivel. Clinton lost cause she was a very corrupt and dishonest person. I, for one enjoyed watching Assange destroy her and the Democraps. Can’t say it was fake information cause it was all verified by the one of the Liberatarian mouthpieces “Google” aka verified key codes.
Disgusting how spineless the Aussie PM and cohorts are in not protecting Assange from the bullshit allegations and from the USA. All he did was release true information!
Killary “ Cant we just drone this guy”.... this wonan is the epitome of evil.

 

[Ausage]

WTF gifs don't work?!?!