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The British Politics Thread
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Burgey
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It’s a single circle
Stapel
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I'm considered a eurosceptic, to Dutch standards. The EU has a gazillion flaws. Yet, I can see the need for multilateral agreements, rather than a collection of bilateral ones. The way I see it, the EU is the only multilateral agreement available. So, the only way forward, is to improve the EU. I suppose we can agree it has room for improvement?
But what if, to the reasonable opinion of 50,1% of the member of one partner, the EU is indeed broken beyond repair? Then leave! Fair enough. But without new agreements in place? To actively promote a no-deal-exit? That's 'evil', to stay within the range of non-diplomatic phrases. I actually do think there are a few hard line Brexiteers, that are well and truely beyond reason!
The Guardian (I know, filthy left-wing EU-huggers) has a nice article on it today. David Davis, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Liam Fox, Daniel Hannan, and Nigel Farage will take those special places, not the millions of leave-voters. Now, I don't believe in hells (or in heavens for that matter), nor would I send anyone there, if I could. But these 6 are guilty of claiming some absolutely ridiculous nonsense, regardless of what one thinks of the EU.
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S.Kennedy
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I wouldn't necessarily call it, advocacy of a no deal Brexit, ''evil''. ''Reckless'' and ''ill-advised'' maybe, but I reserve a term such as evil - and you can include Tusk's mutterings here also - for more heinous individuals, mass murderers, totalitarian dictators and such like.
Uppercut
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One of the many reasons this story is stupid is that they're all already evil for different reasons anyway. Windrush for starters. Then there's stuff like this: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/04/dwp-apologise-for-telling-seriously-ill-man-to-find-a-job.
In terms of Brexit, messing around with stuff like access to insulin can't be far off the Evil Line. I'd happily call many MP attitudes to Northern Ireland evil too, though I'm biased there.
In terms of Brexit, messing around with stuff like access to insulin can't be far off the Evil Line. I'd happily call many MP attitudes to Northern Ireland evil too, though I'm biased there.
wpdavid
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He was speaking pretty calmly, tbf.
What a lot of people have missed is the context of this line. He had been talking specifically about the possible impact on Ireland, and in particular its impact on the peace process, as one of the original ideals of what was then the EC had been to make the conflicts from the first half of the 20th century unthinkable. Hence his strong wording for those who hadn't even considered how this might all play out.
As others have said, the hypocrisy of the most vocal complaints coming from those who are most likely to bleat about PC snowflakes not being able to cope with fee speech is remarkable, even by their standards.
andmark
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Yeah, in the context of Ireland, I can understand what he means. Perhaps my memory is off, but during the referendum campaigning, I don't recall much talk of NI, the Good Friday Agreement or the border issue, despite the obvious relevance of it to Brexit and the GFA. It's still probably too strong wording if the people involved didn't offer solutions out of not knowing there was an issue. On the other hand, if they did know it was an issue and simply chose to stay quiet, then things are different.
This is bullshit.
John Major and Tony Blair made a joint appearance in Derry prior to the referendum and warned of the likely effect of a vote to leave the EU on Northern Ireland.
The problem is that the likes of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage treat the rest of the UK with contempt and rubbished any claims made, ultimately because they don't care.
I'm certain that Theresa May herself warned of this as well, but unfortunately searching for Theresa May, Northern Ireland and Brexit is throwing up a lot of results from her speech a couple of days ago.
edit: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-northern-ireland-customs-union-a8234766.html
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A stunning contribution, as always.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
John Major and Tony Blair?! Can’t believe that didnt sway people.
Ausage
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Tbf they do know a bit about how wars get started.
andmark
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John Major and Tony Blair weren't the ones who were getting masses of air time, as opposed to Johnson and Farage who did and didn't offer a credible solution to the issue. In any case, I was referring to pro-Brexit campaigners.
S.Kennedy
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sledger
Spanish_Vicente
I think this is the first post in which you haven't spoken total shite. Though upon reflection, this is a post in which you have spoken total shite.
S.Kennedy
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Sledger, although still perplexed when and how I offended you to such an extent, I have you on ignore (I noticed you were still following me around with ad hominems in somebody's reply the other day). I suggest you put me on ignore also. It saves us all a lot of bother.
andruid
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The username should be a giveaway here
