S Africa follow Mugabe

[StephenZA]

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/the-shape-of-things-to-come-20170509

If you want to read a scary article from mid- last year.

 

[Spark]

"more of a socialist party" seems a bit of a light description for them, they seem more transparently Marxist-Leninist than that

 

[StephenZA]

How contemptible is this....
Oz Media: 'SA Should Be Banned From Sport Over Land Reform'

....but I do think it's a little bit weird that no one is having a conversation about punishing South Africa through sport as we did quite correctly for apartheid, when they have passed laws in their parliament to forcibly remove the land of whites.

But no laws have been passed.... pure ignorance and politicking.

"I think this is a good one from Peter Dutton. I mean bring them in. Just the gravity of what's going on in South Africa, with 400 white farmers murdered every year. The murder rate in South Africa among these people is 138 out of one hundred thousand; when you consider that in Australia, it is three out of one hundred thousand," Gleeson claimed.

Simply false....
https://africacheck.org/2017/05/08/analysis-calculating-farm-murder-rate-sa-near-impossible/
https://africacheck.org/2013/11/06/...be-a-farmer-than-a-policeman-in-south-africa/

Alternate facts pervade all political countries....

I repeat my earlier statement; I can promise you, having people like this idiotic Aus minister use SA`s problems to grab his own personal headlines is truly contemptible.

 

[StephenZA]

"more of a socialist party" seems a bit of a light description for them, they seem more transparently Marxist-Leninist than that

You are right.... very Marxist-Leninist. It is a very extreme party in SA, which already has very leftist leanings.

 

[Spark]

This is why potatoes shouldn't hold high office.

 

[brockley]

Where is the UN,where are the sanctions.
Thats right the UN is a left leaning organisation.
ANC do your worst its ok.

 

[brockley]

A white farmer is twice as likely to be murdered as a policeman, and four times as likely as a private citizen, Afriforum said.

But Pretoria-based Institute for Security Studies crime expert Gareth Newham said the evidence was inconclusive, with murder rates for young black men in townships likely to be far higher that for white farmers.

The South African Government denied whites were deliberately targeted, and said farm murders were part of the country's wider violent crime problem.
ABC online.

 

[Burgey]

The thing with Identity Politics is that you’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t. There’s no winning, least of all for European farmers in South Africa because who is going to bother to stand-up for them? China, India, Egypt or another African State perhaps? Fact is, if Australia doesn’t stand-up then it is likely that no-one will.

Mate, if they were black or brown they'd be labeled "economic refugees" who could afford to pay someone to get them here, so why should we take them? That's where the hypocrisy lies in the discussion.

 

[social]

is that why all the refugees are in prison camps on offshore islands?

We take 10,000 per year and there were roughly 700 on Manus so ......

 

[watson]

Mate, if they were black or brown they'd be labeled "economic refugees" who could afford to pay someone to get them here, so why should we take them? That's where the hypocrisy lies in the discussion.

European people helping other European people because no-one else will. Goodness gracious whatever next?

Quite obviously we’ve plummetted to a new ethical low.

 

[watson]

So let me get this right (?).......

In 2016 and 2017 there were approximately 350 attacks on farms during which about 70 farmers were murdered.

However this is apparently OK because the deficiency in available statistics makes it impossible to tell whether the murder rate of farmers is worse than the national average of 34 murders per 100,000 people.

Therefore the government is justified in doing nothing because the farmers are probably no worse off than everyone else in the country and subsequently have no right to complain.

 

[watson]

However there is a caveat that the SA government has not yet grasped or considered...

In total, between 1998 and the end of 2016, 1848 people have been murdered in farm attacks — 1187 farmers, 490 family members, 147 farm employees, and 24 people who happened to be visiting the farm at the time.

While South Africa has one of the highest rates of violent crime anywhere in the world, the attacks on white farmers are no ordinary crimes.

In a 2014 report, “The Reality of Farm Tortures in South Africa”, AfriForum wrote that “the horror experienced during farm tortures is almost incomprehensible”.

“The well-known ‘blood sisters’ from the South African company Crimescene-cleanup have rightly indicated that, in their experience, farm tortures are by far the most horrific acts of violence in South Africa,” the report said.

“They are of the opinion that the term ‘farm murders’ is misleading and that the terms ‘farm terror’ and ‘farm tortures’ are more suitable.”....

South Africa farm murders: Jacob Zuma calls for white land to be confiscated

 

[Burgey]

European people helping other European people because no-one else will. Goodness gracious whatever next?

Quite obviously we’ve plummetted to a new ethical low.

Extraordinary even by your standards.

I thought you'd want them to join the "queue" or not be allowed in because apparently if they're wealthy enough to get themselves to a different part of the world they aren't "real" refugees. At least that's the sort of stuff everyone reads when the refugees in question are from Asia or other parts of Africa.

 

[brockley]

C'mon Burgey we took 12,000 from Syria,can't we take 1,000 elite farmers,adds to our economy in business and farming.Brings money and finance.Even if we make it part of our economic migrants,which is a giant 240,000 migrants per year.

 

[Burgey]

Of course we can take them. I think if you followed anything I've posted about refugee intake on here you'd find my general attitude to the approach of both the main political parties is "a pox on both their houses." The point is whether their situation is any more urgent or pressing than people fleeing wars and ethnic cleansing elsewhere. Dutton is proposing giving them priority over other people in similar or worse situations. Why do you think that is?

 

[brockley]

Of course he is a whiteist.
Then again their is ethnic ppl on twitter showing their dislike for white people coming as refugee.
Example that muslim girl who left for England,who said we are too racist.
Next their will be those saying migrants who are white,thats racist.

I just see a ppl in need,for example like the Rohingas'.Why not help both.
As I said I have met fleeing whites,and they all have tales to tell from S Afrrica and Zimbabwe.

 

[watson]

Of course we can take them. I think if you followed anything I've posted about refugee intake on here you'd find my general attitude to the approach of both the main political parties is "a pox on both their houses." The point is whether their situation is any more urgent or pressing than people fleeing wars and ethnic cleansing elsewhere. Dutton is proposing giving them priority over other people in similar or worse situations. Why do you think that is?

The obvious msm answer is that Dutton is a racist who is appealing to his red-neck base.

I would simply argue that the race of the tortured, bashed and murdered farmers is totally irrelevant, and for the msm to highlight the issue of race is ironically an act of racism.

It is possible that other Ethnic groups have suffered more, but from what I can tell the murder rate and violence against the South African minority is bad enough. Of course the msm can make a value judgement if they like but it would end up looking very churlish.

 

[Prince EWS]

I would simply argue that the race of the tortured, bashed and murdered farmers is totally irrelevant

It should be, but it seemingly isn't, as the tortured, bashed and murdered of one race seem to be getting preferential treatment by Dutton when compared with the tortured, bashed and murdered of another race.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah but it’s dutton and his acolytes who treat the claims of other refugees with disdain. I wouldn’t have a problem with dutton wanting to get these people here ASAP if he did the same thing with the so called economic refugees from elsewhere.

I mean, if a bloke and his family from Syria could afford to hop on a plane to get any place else in the world but made an application to come here, the cries from dutton and his supporters about them not being “real refugees” would be as loud as you can imagine. We’ve all heard them before. If you deny it you’re just making **** up.

 

[Spark]

Yeah but it’s dutton and his acolytes who treat the claims of other refugees with disdain. I wouldn’t have a problem with dutton wanting to get these people here ASAP if he did the same thing with the so called economic refugees from elsewhere.

I mean, if a bloke and his family from Syria could afford to hop on a plane to get any place else in the world but made an application to come here, the cries from dutton and his supporters about them not being “real refugees” would be as loud as you can imagine. We’ve all heard them before. If you deny it you’re just making **** up.

Apparently this all arose because of three columns in News Ltd papers and some youtube videos. The height of detailed analysis there.