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Crimea
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HeathDavisSpeed
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crimea river etc etc
But yeah, huge threat to stability tbh.
But yeah, huge threat to stability tbh.
fredfertang
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Tbf to Putin he's making a rather better job of a tricky situation than we did in Ireland
uvelocity
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i dont know the whole history of it at all. but i have been wondering, and maybe soon to be enlightened - if the people haven't been bullied or tricked, and it appears they haven't been, and the vast majority clearly want to be a part of russia and have demonstrated for this, surely it's the right thing to let them have it. if tassie wanted to become a part of new zealand, we'd let em have it surely.
Crimea has been part of the Ukraine for nearly 50 years and Russia's only interest in the region is because of access to the Black Sea for its navy
Whenever there has been a problem in the region, Russia has committed genocide leaving most of the area occupied by Kremlin supporters
This time, they have gone a step further by occupying the place with 6000 troops and promoting an illegal referendum where "voters" only had one choice - vote for Putin or else
This is nothing like Tassie
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Spikey
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would have also accepted "Well the Tatars might disappear soon"
Spark
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i don't think this is accurate
Uppercut
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It's a pure publicity stunt that a surprising number of casual observers seem to have bought into. Politicians on all sides seem more interested in the legality of the referendum (totally irrelevant) rather than its ethics.
Crimea might secede into Russia eventually but it can't be done as the result of a snap referendum without a "no" option under an unjustifiable Russian occupation. It's eerie how closely the incident parallels Hitler's pre-war annexations.
Crimea might secede into Russia eventually but it can't be done as the result of a snap referendum without a "no" option under an unjustifiable Russian occupation. It's eerie how closely the incident parallels Hitler's pre-war annexations.
fredfertang
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I believe that Scotland is about to become available
KiWiNiNjA
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I was going to mention the Dostoyevsky classic Crimea nd Punishment, but this Timberlake classic seems to work better.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
This is so old school. When is the Prussian empire making a comeback?
Agent Nationaux
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Do you have evidence for this?
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Wonder if good old Putin would like to hold a referendum in Chechnya.
Agent Nationaux
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The bear would turn into a teddy bear if he even steps foot into Chechnya
Bahnz
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There have been more than a few reports of pro-Ukraine rallies in Crimea being broken up by by gangs of thugs carrying AK's. Throw in the fact that it wasn't really a secret ballot (voters had to submit their vote into clear plast boxes in full view of the public) and it's fairly clear that a fair amount of strong-arming has taken place.