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It would have been interesting to see how comprehensive England's victory would have been against a really poor, brittle, shambolic, leaderless, lacking-in-confidence side.
Choking doesn't always have to be a dramatic thing. I think he implied failure to turn up and be "together" on a big game day. It's funny how it only applies to the one day unit because the Test side has been truly strong in its collective head over the years.@ Kirsten calling it a choke.
Basically proof that the fans and media constantly hammering the "choke" and "mentally weak" tag has well and truly entered the locker room, to the point its not even used properly. The fact that one of the most measured and rational coaches of recent times in Kirsten has used the choke word is amazing. The fact he uses it when, for once, South Africa didn't actually choke or weren't actually mentally weak, is even more amazing!
If it's world cups alone, you appear to have missed which forum you were posting in.In 50 over world cups alone:
Sri Lanka has won 6 knockout games out of 9
SA has won 0 knock out games out of 5
T20 world cups have similar numbers, don't remember them though. That's the real story. I mean, come on!
Trust me not to have forgotten anything. And drop your aggressive posture please. I just didn't think necessary to add disclaimers about 98 champions trophy, mainly because I'm typing on a mobile and thought it will be understood that there is an exception, regardless of which general argument can be made . SA's mental problems truly started more from 99 world cup onward and since then they haven't won a knockout game.If it's world cups alone, you appear to have missed which forum you were posting in.
It's almost as though the "real story" seems to change depending on what appears to fit. Call me crazy...
Yeah exactly. You can't say that just because the same country (and it's not even the same team - these teams barely little to no resemblance to each other besides the logo on their kit) have lost X knockout games then every time they lose one then it's a choke automatically.And they've only gone on to win one final.
Anyway you should look at each game on its merits to determine if its a choke, that statistic means little.
The difference between the sides wasn't 80/8.Yeah exactly. You can't say that just because the same country (and it's not even the same team - these teams barely little to no resemblance to each other besides the logo on their kit) have lost X knockout games then every time they lose one then it's a choke automatically.
I understand the argument being made that you can choke a tournament rather than a game by collapsing under the pressure of a knockout and putting in a mentally weak performance from start to finish in a semi-final. But that's not what happened here. This South African team isn't very good; they were lucky to qualify for the semi-final in the first place and they were completely outplayed by a better side. De Villers aside I think they actually showed mental strength throughout the tournament and the game itself; they just weren't technically up to what was put in front of them.