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Jogging/running
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wellAlbidarned
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i hear the ones with logos on them make you run faster
Top_Cat
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My own anecdotal experience at 36;
I never stretch before or after exercise, have never so much as twinged a muscle (first cricket training after winter, I'm stiff for days but I'd argue pace bowling puts unique stresses on the body. Thereafter, no stiffness or soreness at all). Ride every day and have done so for, largely, the last 20 years, run every other day 10Km+, always played sports (athletics, cricket, ball sports, martial arts, bit of rugby but not too much contact sport)
Only joint pain comes from if I haven't run in a few weeks. Thereafter, mainly blisters to manage.
Definitely prefer to feel the road when running so don't use the air/padded shoes. Primary concern when buying shoes is, honestly, whether they'll last and the padded shoes, in my experience, fall to bits too quickly. Tennis shoes the most durable (think about the stresses tennis players put on their feet) so used to use them for cricket but I have been trying lighter shoes for a while, as long as they don't affect my gait. Any good running shop will film you on a treadmill and help you decide. Most shoes I buy are in the $100 or less range. Had shin problems at one point but $30 chemist shop orthotics fixed it almost immediately.
I'm a fan of the idea that one does gird your body for the activity you do. I know Muai Thai guys smash their limbs on hard surfaces and the adaptation gets explained (very simplistically) in terms of Wollf's Law but one should always be sceptical, particularly since recent research is hard to come by. Detailed stuff is aging, such as this article from 2004 but not much in relation to sports other than this from last year which, despite the authors claiming no funding or sponsorship, the big logo in the top right corner on page 1 has me wondering. Just to be clear, Wolff's Law as a general 'external loading increases bone density' principle isn't in dispute but how/why/how much/under what circumstances doesn't seem to get much of a look. Some evidence supports that bone mass is added when the body is put under load but disappears rapidly once you stop the exercise. I personally feel stronger/less pain the more running I do but eh, it's open.
I never stretch before or after exercise, have never so much as twinged a muscle (first cricket training after winter, I'm stiff for days but I'd argue pace bowling puts unique stresses on the body. Thereafter, no stiffness or soreness at all). Ride every day and have done so for, largely, the last 20 years, run every other day 10Km+, always played sports (athletics, cricket, ball sports, martial arts, bit of rugby but not too much contact sport)
Only joint pain comes from if I haven't run in a few weeks. Thereafter, mainly blisters to manage.
Definitely prefer to feel the road when running so don't use the air/padded shoes. Primary concern when buying shoes is, honestly, whether they'll last and the padded shoes, in my experience, fall to bits too quickly. Tennis shoes the most durable (think about the stresses tennis players put on their feet) so used to use them for cricket but I have been trying lighter shoes for a while, as long as they don't affect my gait. Any good running shop will film you on a treadmill and help you decide. Most shoes I buy are in the $100 or less range. Had shin problems at one point but $30 chemist shop orthotics fixed it almost immediately.
I'm a fan of the idea that one does gird your body for the activity you do. I know Muai Thai guys smash their limbs on hard surfaces and the adaptation gets explained (very simplistically) in terms of Wollf's Law but one should always be sceptical, particularly since recent research is hard to come by. Detailed stuff is aging, such as this article from 2004 but not much in relation to sports other than this from last year which, despite the authors claiming no funding or sponsorship, the big logo in the top right corner on page 1 has me wondering. Just to be clear, Wolff's Law as a general 'external loading increases bone density' principle isn't in dispute but how/why/how much/under what circumstances doesn't seem to get much of a look. Some evidence supports that bone mass is added when the body is put under load but disappears rapidly once you stop the exercise. I personally feel stronger/less pain the more running I do but eh, it's open.
GotSpin
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Well I do it all for the nookie.
I do think if its available to you, running on sand is the best. It forces you to put all the pressure on your toes, improving your arches while not risking your achilles and knees. A friend is an ankle specialist and highly recommend against running on pavement.
Top_Cat
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Should also mention I had a knee arthroscopy 6 years ago but it was not running-related (twisting, sport, knee wrench, cartelage tear). Ortho surgeon, a big fan of bare/forefoot running told me to do the usual recovery (6 weeks, RICE, etc.) then to get back into it. Have had no issue ever since with distance running, sprinting or any physical activity.
Some of us don't live at the beach.
Yeah I had an arthroscopy and an ACL reconstruction done on the same knee in the space of 2 years and I've never been warned off running.
hendrix
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How on earth do you find the shops then?
Been getting a bit sore after running (it's called age) so have started cycling.
Good mate who is really keen amateur took me to a specialist bike shop yesterday as I want to upgrade from the piece of junk that I have at present
FMD, if I'm going to spend 5k on a bike, it had better come with an engine and an hot babe on the back
Good mate who is really keen amateur took me to a specialist bike shop yesterday as I want to upgrade from the piece of junk that I have at present
FMD, if I'm going to spend 5k on a bike, it had better come with an engine and an hot babe on the back
FaaipDeOiad
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Going back to the barefoot running discussion, we do put horses on shoes, for the record. Can't really get behind the notion that protecting your feet from wear and tear was invented by Nike.
Like with most things fitness related I think the truth is somewhere relatively close to the middle of the extreme perspectives people argue for. Stretching is fine, it works to ease you into activity and helps with general flexibility and preventing muscle tightness (which is a real thing), but if you don't stretch you won't immediately injure yourself. Shoes are good and helpful, running barefoot also works if you want to do that, but running at all will cause more wear and tear than not running. Yoga is perfectly fine for relaxation and light exercise and certainly excellent for mobility and flexibility, but it won't lead you to enlightenment. And so on.
Another way to think about it is to look at what successful athletes advised by well educated doctors and trainers do. You'll notice that professional athletes tend to stretch, get massages, do both active recovery and ice baths and so on, and wear shoes, because that stuff all helps. It's also not magic and isn't an absolute necessity for casual people.
Like with most things fitness related I think the truth is somewhere relatively close to the middle of the extreme perspectives people argue for. Stretching is fine, it works to ease you into activity and helps with general flexibility and preventing muscle tightness (which is a real thing), but if you don't stretch you won't immediately injure yourself. Shoes are good and helpful, running barefoot also works if you want to do that, but running at all will cause more wear and tear than not running. Yoga is perfectly fine for relaxation and light exercise and certainly excellent for mobility and flexibility, but it won't lead you to enlightenment. And so on.
Another way to think about it is to look at what successful athletes advised by well educated doctors and trainers do. You'll notice that professional athletes tend to stretch, get massages, do both active recovery and ice baths and so on, and wear shoes, because that stuff all helps. It's also not magic and isn't an absolute necessity for casual people.
hendrix
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or you could just look at the evidence for humans, which has failed to show that either barefoot running or padded running prevents injury, or stretching for that matter.
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FaaipDeOiad
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Not sure if you mean that as a disagreement, but that's more or less what I was trying to say.
Regarding stretching, I don't think stretching "prevents injury" and I think the way its sometimes talked about like it does is a sort of huge simplification based on the way stretching is taught in basic physical education etc. I do think that warming up is beneficial for physical performance and injury prevention and for a lot of people that's synonymous with stretching because a lot of warmups involve dynamic stretches, but they are different things. And I don't necessarily think jogging is an activity that requires a great deal of warming up, for that matter. But you wouldn't see a fast bowler come on for a spell completely cold.
I do think stretching can be a beneficial thing to do depending on what you're trying to achieve, but it's more for aiding mobility than for injury prevention. It's probably going to help your average office worker more than someone who is very physically active.
Regarding stretching, I don't think stretching "prevents injury" and I think the way its sometimes talked about like it does is a sort of huge simplification based on the way stretching is taught in basic physical education etc. I do think that warming up is beneficial for physical performance and injury prevention and for a lot of people that's synonymous with stretching because a lot of warmups involve dynamic stretches, but they are different things. And I don't necessarily think jogging is an activity that requires a great deal of warming up, for that matter. But you wouldn't see a fast bowler come on for a spell completely cold.
I do think stretching can be a beneficial thing to do depending on what you're trying to achieve, but it's more for aiding mobility than for injury prevention. It's probably going to help your average office worker more than someone who is very physically active.
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FaaipDeOiad
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Is there a significant anti-horseshoe lobby?
Flem274*
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the websites i could link to...
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wellAlbidarned
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You guys do whatever you want, I'm gonna keep running barefoot and pulling chicks with my sexy hobbit feet