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Question on ban announcements

Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Gnske said:
You really should have made that announcement. It could have been so easy too, you could have worded better but here look:



Maybe a bit more detail, but you're not castigating anyone by simply addressing the theme of posting. But two reasons why you should have done it. The messages at least I have got, have been no more descript than the usual brief ones I get.



Now I read that as, I've got more than a few infraction points and I've made 15 smutty posts too many than I should have today, Dan's brain has broken. I've seen it before and I'll see it again probably.

The big and other reason is that moderating duties extend beyond what buttons reside within the infractions tab.

Engage with the community and be not fearful of it, personally and on a group level. We're not proud just rowdy. I think we respond far better to engagement than coldness and presumption of having the mandate of god. I'm only too happy to seriously stop for the good of the forum though, especially since this is the second time PEWS that you've had to intervene to bring a complete sense of clarity of a fiasco this year.
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Agree with this tbh. Especially the bit that blows smoke up my arse.

But seriously, in hindsight I definitely wish we'd made an announcement, or at least a post in here, about it. At the time we thought we could stop making it "a thing" by giving people some warnings and small infractions that didn't actually get them banned, but the horse had bolted.

The reason we (well, I say we, but this was just my rationale, I shouldn't speak for the others) was the lessons I'd learned from the Loony_BoB fiasco ages ago. The more you really crack down on this sort of stuff the more it tends to be contagious, so I thought it might be better to just moderate what I thought the actual problem was: the deliberate sexual references for the sake of it by a small number of members. Giving the handful of people we thought were doing this 0-point warnings over the infraction system (and I think I just told sledger to can it over WhatsApp, haha) in my mind would at last slow it to the point where it wasn't an actual advertising problem. I was wrong.

In hindsight I definitely wish we'd made a post telling me to cool it and most importantly actually explaining why -- hell, maybe if we'd just told people why in the warnings we gave out it would have worked out okay, but I didn't do those so I wash my hands of it :ph34r: -- but I hope you can see why the decision we made at least made sense at the time. We were trying to avoid making it a big thing, but unfortunately it didn't work and people got banned. Dan is right that they(+you) were given enough warnings and small infractions to know the bans were probably coming, but I do think there's a difference in thinking you're going to get banned because the mods are ****s and... this reason, that we really should have made clearer.

One thing with people asking for more moderator transparency on the actual forum is that it doesn't really work when there are other members involved -- like I'm not going to explain that I agree that so-and-so is an absolute **** if he's still a member of the forum -- but in this case it's not actually about disputes between members at all, so I do think we should have been more forthcoming about the reasoning.
 
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Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
the google ads thing is sensible and i had that ban coming for at least a week.

not sure what im gonna post about if isr's are off the table tbh. i might need to develop a personality. nah cbf.
 
Neptune

Neptune

Well-known member
Avoided the swear filter again. Forgot ‘****’ in the swear filter. Dumb on my part tbf.

On a side note, and this isn’t a dig, or a whine, how come you infract these posts yet you don’t delete them off the site. Surely the whole point is that these posts are deemed to offensive or sexual to stay on the site, so why keep them on? Don’t make sense.
 
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Spark

Spark

Global Moderator
Neptune said:
Avoided the swear filter again. Forgot ‘****’ in the swear filter. Dumb on my part tbf.

On a side note, and this isn’t a dig, or a whine, how come you infract these posts yet you don’t delete them off the site. Surely the whole point is that these posts are deemed to offensive or sexual to stay on the site, so why keep them on? Don’t make sense.
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Often that breaks the flow of the thread completely and just confuses the hell out of people when there are obviously missing posts. An isolated post with swears in it here and there isn't a problem, it's when it becomes common enough for The Algorithms to pick up on it that the site runs into hot water.
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

Well-known member
Spark said:
Often that breaks the flow of the thread completely and just confuses the hell out of people when there are obviously missing posts. An isolated post with swears in it here and there isn't a problem, it's when it becomes common enough for The Algorithms to pick up on it that the site runs into hot water.
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The sentient that is our google masters continues onwards...
 
Gnske

Gnske

Well-known member
Is it really the end of the world if the suits retaliate to a few naughty words, even the Daily Stormer has sponsors ffs.
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Fairly sure AI isn't designed to make the same mistakes it's been making throughout history so
 
sledger

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Being completely serious here, but AI absolutely does make the same mistakes it's made throughout its relatively brief history haha, and this is often probably attributable to how it is designed.
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

Well-known member
sledger said:
Being completely serious here, but AI absolutely does make the same mistakes it's made throughout its relatively brief history haha, and this is often probably attributable to how it is designed.
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Continuing on from the same mistakes people have made throughout history, just in a more efficient manner...
 
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