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World Politics Thread

Magrat Garlick

Magrat Garlick

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ankitj said:
Greece gone full ******.

Greece demands ?279bn from Germany in Nazi war reparations - Telegraph

Edit: why is that word blocked in here? Didn't know it's considered offensive. Google autocorrect doesn't omit the word.
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Look it up, then, please. Maybe you could learn something.

Anyway business as usual is not an option for Greece. This lot of leftists aren't particularly realistic, but the troika's dream that Greece will turn into Scandinavia if they're only starved for a suitably long time is a similar branch of optimistic delirium.

Also this bluster is quite preferable to the other branch of Greek leftists, terror troups who would like to start to re-open WWII and civil war wounds with Golden Dawn. I'm sure we would all love communists and fascists streetfighting in Europe again.
 
Gnske

Gnske

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Samuel_Vimes said:
So Europe appear to have our own #stoptheboats moment

Can EU agree on response to migrant crisis? - BBC News

Short of putting up armed guards all over North Africa ordered to shoot every boat departing there's little to do on the push side. And the potential downside of saving these people seems a lot less scary and costly than getting involved in yet another Middle East war.
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How deposing of Gadaffi has worked so nicely for Libya.
 
BigBrother

BigBrother

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Bahnz said:
It is in some sense. But at the same time, MAD is excruciatingly difficult to crawl out of. If either the Americans or Russians were to unilaterally engage in large-scale nuclear disarmament, that would leave them completely at the mercy of their MAD partner. You need agreements on both sides to reduce armaments, and that requires trust and international oversight - both of which are in short supply atm.

Like I said, eventually both sides will be forced to retreat from their current positions because of the sheer cost of maintaining it - the Russians have been recycling their surplus nukes for use in nuclear power stations for decades. The US are spending about $350 billion in the next decade on their nukes. Russia will probably be spending substantially less - especially now that the oil price has collapsed - and that's scary in and of itself. However, this will likely take a long time (probably decades) before nuke numbers return to 'reasonable' levels.
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Russia would probably rather starve itself than let their nuke numbers fall below the US again. Been somewhat of a policy of their's since the 70's.
 
BigBrother

BigBrother

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This whole "Black injustice in America" thing has almost become the IT thing to bring up and give attention to in the Facebook, Twitter age. I doubt it's much worse if at all than it was even in the recent past.

I'm not sure if it even helps much and instead just adds fuel to the fire. Certainly when you consider the way these things get handled and turn out.
 
Gnske

Gnske

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ankitj said:
While European countries are bickering over who should take in how many refugees, why aren't wealthy Arab countries stepping forward?

Migrant crisis: Why Syrians do not flee to Gulf states - BBC News
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1. If it takes effort beyond risking your entire family's life and putting them in the hands of people who gladly eat up your money just to throw you some terrible equipment meant for a seaborne enterprise, it must be bad
2. Who wants to live in sand anyway?
 
ankitj

ankitj

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What do you guys think of Russia intervening in Syria? Attacking ISIS with increased force would have been good but looks like Russians are attacking the rebels more and therefore strengthening Bashar Asad. It will be a sad outcome if the moderate rebels bear the brunt of the attack.
 
Black_Warrior

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ankitj said:
Are there no moderate rebels against Asad in Syria?
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There are.

ankitj said:
What do you guys think of Russia intervening in Syria? Attacking ISIS with increased force would have been good but looks like Russians are attacking the rebels more and therefore strengthening Bashar Asad. It will be a sad outcome if the moderate rebels bear the brunt of the attack.
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The short term consequence of Russia getting involved will be that Assad's regime will get a new lease of life. But without Russian collaboration and boots on the ground(someone has to do it), you are not defeating iSIS.

So yes you will be left with Assad, but the world has always made these decisions. We opted for monsters like Stalin, Churchill and Truman over Hitler and Mussolini.
 
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