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The European Politics Thread

andmark

andmark

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Was Macron withdrawing the diesel tax a bad precedent? Like by doing that, he's implied (unintentionally) that these protests can work.
 
hendrix

hendrix

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andmark said:
Was Macron withdrawing the diesel tax a bad precedent? Like by doing that, he's implied (unintentionally) that these protests can work.
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I'm not sure. France places great importance on holding politicians to account in representing "the people" so to speak, for obvious historical reasons.

The trade off is populism as seen here but I think that's the trade off that they're willing to make, in contrast with, for example, the US culture of simply accepting that certain figures such as the president can make decisions un-democratically without expecting rebuff.
 
andmark

andmark

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hendrix said:
I'm not sure. France places great importance on holding politicians to account in representing "the people" so to speak, for obvious historical reasons.

The trade off is populism as seen here but I think that's the trade off that they're willing to make, in contrast with, for example, the US culture of simply accepting that certain figures such as the president can make decisions un-democratically without expecting rebuff.
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It's a good underlying culture to have given that it means the masses aren't simply apathetic and are willing to do something if things go badly. The current situation will eventually calm down and that culture will remain, although the tax being put back may still prove to be a bad precedent depending on how things go in the short and medium term.
 
S.Kennedy

S.Kennedy

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The person who passed this 2008 yellow vest law, requiring all motorists to have one in their boot, might be slightly regretting it about now.
 
Spark

Spark

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There's lunatic, and then there's "the Enlightenment was a mistake" level of lunatic:

https://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2...rry-baudet-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-13-2019.html

When did this train fall off the rail?

I think one has to go back to the principles of the French Revolution which are equality, liberty, and fraternity. They have led to the two major emancipation movements — socialism and liberalism — and both are fundamentally flawed. The derailment, in turn, has come in waves. Modernism, a renewal of the radical elements in the French Revolution, which kicked in right after the First World War, set in motion yet another wave of mistakes. And then came the '60s. So, there have been several moments in the past two centuries.
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Magrat Garlick

Magrat Garlick

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the problem of forming politics from aesthetics and ideology, right there.

Baudet is genuinely scary but he's unlikely to get political power. It could be good for NL long term as he explicitly draws the lines back to cultured academic racism, which everyone thought was stamped out and that racism was now the preserve of the uncouth lower classes and the rural Reformed backwaters. Turns out it wasn't.
 
Ausage

Ausage

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Could they have thought of a better word for the phenomenon that oikophobic? Sounds like a something related to a farm animal.
 
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