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**Official** COVID-19 Discussion

Bahnz

Well-known member
Yeah, but the alternative is a shitload of people dying, isn't it? When do you say you've reached the tipping point where no. of deaths = worth shutting down for? It's very arbitrary.
Korea, Japan, Taiwan, China outside of Wuhan, they've all managed to bring the spread of the virus under control without imposing the kinds of long draconian lock down measures now springing up around the world, so no I don't think the only alternative is a shitload of people dying.

And for the record, I'm not universally opposed to quarantines, there are circumstances where they will be appropriate (New York right now strikes me as one).
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Korea, Japan, Taiwan, China outside of Wuhan, they've all managed to bring the spread of the virus under control without imposing the kinds of long draconian lock down measures now springing up around the world, so no I don't think the only alternative is a shitload of people dying.

And for the record, I'm not universally opposed to quarantines, there are circumstances where they will be appropriate (New York right now strikes me as one).
All had significant mitigation measures like mass testing, general public health measures and mask-wearing from the start though.

And it's not just gonna be NYC. Reopening businesses right now is just ludicrous. And it won't happen anyway - when you start seeing a 9/11 every single day next week, will people really want to go to the bar? I doubt it.

Anyway, when you're left questioning your faith in humanity, you can always count on Bezos to redeem it

https://www.mintpressnews.com/jeff-bezos-wants-donations-help-amazon-employees-coronavirus/265962/
If Mint Press News is saying it, it's probably bullshit somehow.
 
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Bahnz

Well-known member
Smarter and less damaging just means "making sure my stock portfolio is profitable after this goes away". The sacrifice is thousands of old poor people, not him and his mates.
Smart and less damaging means thousands of businesses don't fail and millions don't lose their jobs. It means carefully balancing the potential death toll of this disease with the potential death toll of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression (which I've briefly discussed previously), and thinking about how other countries that also experienced rapid growth in the spread of the disease managed to bring it under control.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Smart and less damaging means thousands of businesses don't fail and millions don't lose their jobs. It means carefully balancing the potential death toll of this disease with the potential death toll of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression (which I've briefly discussed previously), and thinking about how other countries that also experienced rapid growth in the spread of the disease managed to bring it under control.
Then have the government cover payrolls on the condition that there are no layoffs without cause for the duration of the crisis. Like what France is doing.
 

Burgey

Well-known member
Then have the government cover payrolls on the condition that there are no layoffs without cause for the duration of the crisis. Like what France is doing.
Indeed. Am simultaneously dumbstruck and not at all surprised our govt has not done this and has instead just handed out dough to business without any such condition attached to it. It's going to be a disaster.
 

Bahnz

Well-known member
Then have the government cover payrolls on the condition that there are no layoffs without cause for the duration of the crisis. Like what France is doing.
Governments won't be able to afford that except in the very short term. NZ's in a fortunate position that we have relatively low government debt, and even then the cost of the Government's employment guarantees scheme is going to increase Crown debt by at least 17% in the next 11 weeks (and that's before the additional costs of propping up Air New Zealand, expanding health care services, increased public welfare costs etc.). And that's for a country who's government debt is only at 30% of GDP. France's government debt is 100% of GDP, their ability to fund their essential public services is going to be crippled for years by the debt servicing costs alone if this goes on for any longer than a month.

And again, no problem with these lockdowns being employed in the short term.
 
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Daemon

Well-known member
World's richest man: please donate money
From the website

"Make a Donation
This fund has an initial donation of $25 million from Amazon. The company will continue to make additional contributions to the fund as it’s needed. While we aren’t expecting anyone to do so, you can make a voluntary donation to the fund if you desire to do so."

Amazon has also increased the hourly wage of workers by $2/hr and is hiring 100,000 additional workers (this is probably not as altruistic as it seems since they actually need the labour due to increases in demand, and amazon workers aren't exactly paid very well in any case).

I mean he can and should absolutely do more, but the article kinda sucks.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
It really does. Pure clickbait. So low quality that even RTB would think twice about posting it if he came up with it
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Like I said, if Mint Press News is saying it, I am disinclined to take it at face value.

Which is not to say he can't do more but honestly idk how much he can individually do. If we do think in terms of cash payouts per capita, as one particularly unfortunate viral MSNBC segment demonstrated, even a ridiculous amount of money gets cut up into pretty small pieces when divided by 330 million.
 
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Fuller Pilch

Well-known member
Let's just all turn into a socialist utopian society already
New Venezealand?
Union of Stralyian Socialist Republics?

I'm sure we can tax ourselves into prosperity. Guaranteed to work.

Although an International Communist Committee would probably still run cricket better than the current ICC.
 
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