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Political Correctness Gone Mad

Magrat Garlick

Magrat Garlick

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sledger said:
Statues of people are boring anyway. There should be more statues of animals. Much more interesting and thought-provoking. There used to be a big Sonic the Hedgehog statue in the Galleria in Hatfield and it was great. About the only good thing in the entire town.

Though doubtless some conscientious soul would find a reason to object to this as well.
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sell it as "more *clap emoji* statues *clap emoji* of *clap emoji* good *clap emoji* bois" and no one could argue
 
ankitj

ankitj

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I am not well versed with the Indian intellectual thought during independence movement. But whatever little I have read shows it was so much more vibrant and open than it is today. You have thinkers openly criticizing Hinduism, Islam and Christianity (Ambedkar is foremost among them). None of them were called "fascist" or "libtards" for openly expressing their views. Religion in India is complex and very deeply entwined in its social fabric. Not being able to speak about it today without being viciously attacked by one group or the other is rather unfortunate. Religions suck. They suck even more in societies like India. We need to talk about it.
 
Teja.

Teja.

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ankitj said:
I am not well versed with the Indian intellectual thought during independence movement. But whatever little I have read shows it was so much more vibrant and open than it is today. You have thinkers openly criticizing Hinduism, Islam and Christianity (Ambedkar is foremost among them). None of them were called "fascist" or "libtards" for openly expressing their views. Religion in India is complex and very deeply entwined in its social fabric. Not being able to speak about it today without being viciously attacked by one group or the other is rather unfortunate. Religions suck. They suck even more in societies like India. We need to talk about it.
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Periyar, who was an atheist, was even better than Ambedkar on the front of opposition to the oppression of organised religion. The anti-caste movement was in general rich in discourse/critique of religion which makes sense considering it was led by the ones who were most crushed by it.

Also you might choose to be careful what you wish for because the environment that created the conditions necessary for that high level of critique was due to the absurd percetage of the population who were religious fundamentalists/nationalists at the time. :p
 
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ankitj

ankitj

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Didn't Periyar say Brahmins should be treated like Jews were treated by Nazis?
 
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NZTailender

NZTailender

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sledger said:
Statues of people are boring anyway. There should be more statues of animals. Much more interesting and thought-provoking. There used to be a big Sonic the Hedgehog statue in the Galleria in Hatfield and it was great. About the only good thing in the entire town.

Though doubtless some conscientious soul would find a reason to object to this as well.
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Statues of fictional, mythical people are also legit imho. Bernini's Apollo and Daphne is a wonderful experience to view.
 
Teja.

Teja.

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ankitj said:
Didn't Periyar say Brahmins should be treated like Jews were treated by Nazis?
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I believe his exact words likened the Brahmins to the Jews in terms of control over society and believed a Brahmin version of the Jillumanati theory. That's still obviously terrible.

Bose was an out and out Nazi, friends with Hitler and was going to join forces with Nazi Germany militarily.

Gandhi believed the Jews should commit mass suicide in order to guilt the Nazis and serve as an example of the dangers of fascism to the world.

Point is it's best to assess individuals of the time based on the impact/actions they had in the home country as opposed to the early 20th century version of their worst drunk tweets about WW2.
 
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Spark

Spark

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Bose I thought was a kind of precursor to the modern tankie - despised the British so much that he enthusiastically supported anyone against them regardless of what they had in store for his country (most notably the Japanese).
 
Teja.

Teja.

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Spark said:
Bose I thought was a kind of precursor to the modern tankie - despised the British so much that he enthusiastically supported anyone against them regardless of what they had in store for his country (most notably the Japanese).
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This is true but he very much affiliated himself with the Nazis to that end and admired the philosophy of fascism.

“justice, equality, the love, which is the basis of socialism should be combined with the efficiency and the discipline of fascism as it stands in Europe today”. Quote from 1930
 
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ankitj

ankitj

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Teja. said:
I believe his exact words likened the Brahmins to the Jews in terms of control over society and believed a Brahmin version of the Jillumanati theory. That's still obviously terrible.

Bose was an out and out Nazi, friends with Hitler and was going to join forces with Nazi Germany militarily.

Gandhi believed the Jews should commit mass suicide in order to guilt the Nazis and serve as an example of the dangers of fascism to the world.

Point is it's best to assess individuals of the time based on the impact/actions they had in the home country as opposed to the early 20th century version of their worst drunk tweets about WW2.
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Bose was just using the opportunity afforded by Axis powers to overthrow Britishers rather than endorse morality of it. I think Periyar had more explicit hate; let me research if he advocated Nazi like action. I get the point about how you assess complex people, but the drunk tweet equivalents do tell you something about what the mindset the individual had.

As an aside, trust Gandhi to say something like that. He was bit odd with his non-violence philosophy. During one phase of rioting by Muslims against non-Muslims, he also said something to the affect of -- Hindus should not hold a grudge against Muslims because they are after all doing what their faith demands. Basically a version of turn the other cheek taken too far. So much oddity and contradictions in Gandhi's persona! His greatness still lies in uniting the whole country and taking independence movement to each household rather than a few intellectuals and a few rebels.

Edit: just saw the above post on Bose. So my point on his moral stance is probably not entirely correct.
 
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Teja.

Teja.

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Uppercut said:
Yeah this is pretty good. I think of Gandhi as a sort of ATG propaganda war general. You wouldn't want him in a real war, but that's fine because he wasn't fighting one. You really wouldn't want William Sherman in a propaganda war either.
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Yep and one of the exceptionally rare ATG propagandists who weren't secretive figures with intricate personal lives behind the scenes but rather derived their strength from just never, ever breaking kayfabe.
 
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